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    Matt McQueen
    Birthdate: 18 May 1863
    Birthplace: Harthill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
    Other clubs as manager: None
    Arrived from: Liverpool director
    Signed for LFC: 13 February 1923
    First game in charge: 17.02.1923
    Contract Expiry: 15.02.1928
    LFC league games as manager: 210
    Total LFC games as manager: 229
    Honours: First Division champions 1923


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    When David Ashworth suddenly and surprisingly left Anfield for Oldham Athletic in December 1922, Liverpool turned to one of their Directors as a temporary answer. But not only did Matthew McQueen see the club safely through to a successful defence of their first division championship trophy, he stayed in the manager’s chair for five years even though he was nearly 60-years-old at the time he was asked to take over.

    Matt and his brother Hugh had been two of the many Scotsmen recruited by John McKenna shortly after Liverpool were founded in 1892 following Everton’s decision to move from Anfield to Goodison Park. Both had played in Liverpool’s first-ever Football League match, against Middlesbrough Ironopolis in September, 1893. When his playing days were over, McQueen took the qualifications necessary to become a Football League referee and officiated as a linesman for a brief period in 1904. Towards the end of the First World War, he was appointed to become a Director on Liverpool’s Board.

    After the successive championships of 1922 and 1923, the club’s fortunes declined somewhat with finishes of twelfth, fourth, seventh and ninth. But the team started the 1927/28 season in far from convincing form. There were just six victories from 17 matches before Manchester United’s visit to Anfield on Christmas Eve. Liverpool eventually finished in what appeared to be a comfortable sixteenth place out of 22 but that doesn’t tell the whole story. The fight to avoid relegation that year was extraordinary. Middlesbrough finished bottom with 37 points and Tottenham joined them in the Second Division with 38 points. But no fewer than SEVEN clubs with Liverpool among them escaped by finishing on 39 points. However, before that end-of-season drama took place, Matt McQueen had stood down as manager. He had tragically lost a leg in a road accident in the early 1920’s and his health had deteriorated further by the end of the decade. But before he stood down, McQueen had made one of Liverpool’s most significant signings ever, South African Gordon Hodgson, a wonderful striker of the ball who would go on score nearly 250 senior goals for the club in less than 400 appearances.

    Matt became Liverpool through and through after his move from Scotland in the early 1890’s. He lived in Kemlyn Road just a stone’s throw from the stadium and was a frequent and popular visitor to the club for the rest of his life. He died at the age of 81 in September, 1944.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    "The Football Observatory uses various statistics, including age, goals and points won by the team, to calculate a value for a player."

    Doesn't sound baseless. You might not agree with the methodology but it is based on something.
    "A second group of indicators takes into account the players’ performances, notably in terms of the amount of time played in the different club competitions (domestic leagues, cups) or, eventually, in national teams. Recent performances are given more weight than previous ones." From: http://www.football-observatory.com/...es/mr/mr16/en/

    I think this shows that the valuation is based on a quite simplistic view of players' performances. This is probably why Firmino is more valuable than Coutinho in their listings, £75.1m vs. £62.4m, as he played significantly more minutes than Phil. I guess it has its uses, but it's hardly gospel.
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    Man City are hoping to take advantage as Toby Alderweireld's contract negotiations stall at Spurs.
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/socce...eireld-sources
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    Mohamed Salah is confirmed as Liverpool's Player of the Month for August! https://t.co/5j9BvqYwRs

    Hopefully he wins the official PL one as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meiyour View Post
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    Man City are hoping to take advantage as Toby Alderweireld's contract negotiations stall at Spurs.
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/socce...eireld-sources
    We've got to get in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    "A second group of indicators takes into account the players’ performances, notably in terms of the amount of time played in the different club competitions (domestic leagues, cups) or, eventually, in national teams. Recent performances are given more weight than previous ones." From: http://www.football-observatory.com/...es/mr/mr16/en/

    I think this shows that the valuation is based on a quite simplistic view of players' performances. This is probably why Firmino is more valuable than Coutinho in their listings, £75.1m vs. £62.4m, as he played significantly more minutes than Phil. I guess it has its uses, but it's hardly gospel.
    There's reason to that method though, in that weighting recent performances over previous ones helps model out a player's development, especially when they're quite young. I wouldn't call that simplistic.
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    Since taking over at Liverpool 2 years ago, Jürgen Klopp has spent just £29m (net).

    £29m to completely transform our entire squad. Genius. https://t.co/lUJKroWk7K
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    There's reason to that method though, in that weighting recent performances over previous ones helps model out a player's development, especially when they're quite young. I wouldn't call that simplistic.
    The simplistic part is using playing time as the main performance indicator. It'd be a lot more accurate just to use Squawka's or WhoScored's ratings, for example. This rating method values Wijnaldum at €60m, so only a 10 million euro less than Coutinho.
    Last edited by Beige; 5-9-17 at 14:29. Reason: Got pounds and euros mixed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meiyour View Post
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    Man City are hoping to take advantage as Toby Alderweireld's contract negotiations stall at Spurs.
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/socce...eireld-sources
    Its a pity we only have eyes for VVD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    The simplistic part is using playing time as the main performance indicator. It'd be a lot more accurate just to use Squawka's or WhoScored's ratings, for example. This rating method values Wijnaldum at £59.9m, so only a few million less than Coutinho.
    I don't know if it's the main performance indicator, but playing time is quite a valuable factor to take into account, as it accounts for players who are often injured or who can't stay match fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larissa Karius View Post
    Its a pity we only have eyes for VVD.
    I think that'll slowly change with the availability of some quality cb's in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larissa Karius View Post
    Its a pity we only have eyes for VVD.
    We should have double eyes for both !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    I don't know if it's the main performance indicator, but playing time is quite a valuable factor to take into account, as it accounts for players who are often injured or who can't stay match fit.
    They say that it's the main indicator in the part I quoted for you. A method which values Wijnaldum at €60m, Coutinho at €70m and Firmino at €85m clearly has its issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larissa Karius View Post
    Its a pity we only have eyes for VVD.
    ...which is confusing, since we've overloaded the CM's positions this summer (that were'nt exactly as pressing)

    If we're overloaded with CB's next summer because VVD & Alder are here, then that's a good thing, and if at that time Klopp does'nt want so many CB's, then move on Klavan and/or Lovren!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRiedle View Post
    Since taking over at Liverpool 2 years ago, Jürgen Klopp has spent just £29m (net).

    £29m to completely transform our entire squad. Genius. https://t.co/lUJKroWk7K
    Eh? He's transformed our attack with Mane and Salah. The rest is pretty much just as much of a mess as it was two years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nelly- View Post
    Eh? He's transformed our attack with Mane and Salah. The rest is pretty much just as much of a mess as it was two years ago.
    Oh come on we have a much better squad now tbf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRiedle View Post
    Since taking over at Liverpool 2 years ago, Jürgen Klopp has spent just £29m (net).

    £29m to completely transform our entire squad. Genius. https://t.co/lUJKroWk7K
    To be fair the squad isn't completely transformed... We still have some of the same weak links here.... It will truly be transformed when Lovren, Hendo, Milner and Moreno are all sent packing... Gini hasn't transformed much either and I wouldn't mind seeing the back of him... We need to spend and get quality still
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nelly- View Post
    Eh? He's transformed our attack with Mane and Salah. The rest is pretty much just as much of a mess as it was two years ago.
    a mess. what a hyperbole
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nelly- View Post
    Eh? He's transformed our attack with Mane and Salah. The rest is pretty much just as much of a mess as it was two years ago.
    4th last year, currently 2nd (albeit very early)
    I wish the last 5 years had been such a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    a mess. what a hyperbole
    Our internet fans could rival Arsenal TV
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdiggerman View Post
    Our internet fans could rival Arsenal TV
    100%. i mean our midfield is not a mess its decent, could we improve? ofcourse and we all know our defence is poor but currently not a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcdiggerman View Post
    Our internet fans could rival Arsenal TV
    They're worse. At least the ArsenalFanTV creatures are funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    100%. i mean our midfield is not a mess its decent, could we improve? ofcourse and we all know our defence is poor but currently not a mess.
    Defensively we have to improve. I think every fan acknowledges that - certainly it's my one gripe this summer.....I don't see why it had to be VVD or nothing

    To say we've been a mess for the last 2 years though is simply nonsensical whining

    We were one poor half of football away from winning the Europa league, then finished 4th despite 2 horrible months, and are now 2nd having demolished 2 decent sides in Arsenal and Hoffenheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
    They say that it's the main indicator in the part I quoted for you. A method which values Wijnaldum at €60m, Coutinho at €70m and Firmino at €85m clearly has its issues.
    That's not what it says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    To be fair the squad isn't completely transformed... We still have some of the same weak links here.... It will truly be transformed when Lovren, Hendo, Milner and Moreno are all sent packing... Gini hasn't transformed much either and I wouldn't mind seeing the back of him... We need to spend and get quality still
    Whichever you way look at it our current squad is at least 90% better than the one he inherited.
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    Jurgen Klopp confirms that it will be 'some time' before Nathaniel Clyne is fit again and ready for selection. #LFC


    This sounds ominous.

    I wonder how long he is out for and what the problem is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beige View Post
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    RVP tears his left knee cruciate ligaments
    Ouch.

    34 years old now - perhaps he won't return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiraclesArePossible View Post
    That's not what it says.
    It says that playing time is the notable individual performance indicator. You can see that it has a big impact on value from the difference in Firmino's and Coutinho's value. They also say that they use goals as an indicator, but even that is quite a simplistic statistic. They should use things like expected goals and assists per minutes played if they wanted to accurately evaluate a players performance in attack.
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