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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nelly- View Post
    Hell of a character, strong willed, passionate, represents the club brilliantly, and seems to create great bonds with his players and be the sort of guy that footballers love to play for.

    Tactically not convinced by him. Too loyal to mediocre players at the expense of points/wins. Talks a lot of ****.
    Fair point

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Mike View Post
    I think his head needs to tell him to go 4-2-3-1 where the 2's primary responsibility is protecting the Back 4 and CBs in particular. I'm under no illusions. That would not have prevented the horrible goal that was conceded yesterday but we allow all manner of goals and we need to do something to improve on that.
    The problem for him is he needs a bunch of new players if he's to play 4231. He needs a specialist 6 to pair with keita (who is more than good enough to play as an 8 in a midfield 2). He also needs a bona fide 9 to play in front of his attacking three.

    It means lallana will be on the bench, and there's only place for one of coutinho or firmino to play as a 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Loco_Bielsa View Post
    He did that under pressure from the board, but his heart was never in it. He believes completely in his ideology which eschews possession and a patient buildup with control of the game in favour of rapid transitions, verticality with multiple runners at goal and lots of shots on goal.

    It makes for exciting viewing, but you need very, very good players in central midfield and defence to play it. As soon as bender and subotic got injured, Hummels's lack of pace started to get exposed week in and week out and defensive individual errors started to mount.

    At the other end of the pitch they were creating as many chances in 2014-15 as they had been in 2011-12 but converting a very small fraction of them. Lewa had left, immobile and Ramos who were his replacements weren't good enough and auba who has since proven under tuchel to be an equally effective 9 was being played on the wing.
    Why did the board put pressure on him to change their style?
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    Or maybe he needs to change his assistant manager surely he has got to take some of the blame as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainstan View Post
    Or maybe he needs to change his assistant manager surely he has got to take some of the blame as well.
    That isn't gonna happen. Think they're joined at the hip.
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    Absolutely positive about him although he needs to turn this around quickly for the sake of himself and the fans... Don't believe in short term fixes but he needs to light a fire on the back side of each and every member of the coaching staff and playing staff including himself... I am confident he will turn this around
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    Top top manager but has flaws obviously. I don't buy this bs that there was no alternative to VVD, he doesn't have a contingency plan. He would make a lousy project manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    That isn't gonna happen. Think they're joined at the hip.
    That's what we thought about rafa and ayerstan we all know what happened there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red-till-death View Post
    Absolutely positive about him although he needs to turn this around quickly for the sake of himself and the fans... Don't believe in short term fixes but he needs to light a fire on the back side of each and every member of the coaching staff and playing staff including himself... I am confident he will turn this around
    There will certainly be a few red cheeks about after that
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    Heart says - I'll take the attacking flare and excitement hoping it will eventually win us something.

    Mind says - I haven't see any defensive improvements since he's been here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    That isn't gonna happen. Think they're joined at the hip.
    Anyway is that a good thing as that might be part of the problem I think he could do with somebody that will just tell him the truth in why we find ourselves in the same situation as last season.

    Am beginning to think buvac is just a yes man.
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    I mentioned in another thread that he needs his players all at 100% for the way we play to be consistent and that's just not possible. He doesn't leave any tolerance for mistakes as as soon as we misplace a pass on the counter, or someone is out if position we are under pressure right away.

    Every player on the pitch has both a defensive and attacking role and when they all do their jobs as requested we are unplayable but when they likelier scenario of somebody being out of position ( full backs) or not covering the full backs ( Can, Gini or Hendo) happen then we struggle. Mistakes will happen but because we invite our own pressure we are effectively just waiting for these mistakes to happen.

    I love him , I think he's perfect for us but I fear he thinks the players ( in certain positions ) are better than they are and he refuses to change it.

    We are a defensive midfielder a VVD and a put the reigns on the full backs bombing forward away from winning things. By all accounts he doesn't feel he needs a defensive midfielder and for me that would be our tolerance, our get out of jail player if he insists on every player at 100 %. Until he understands we don't have the players to consistently play the way he wants us to then we will just keep on doing what we are doing. Outstanding in some games but mostly frustrating in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phuzz View Post
    Top top manager but has flaws obviously. I don't buy this bs that there was no alternative to VVD, he doesn't have a contingency plan. He would make a lousy project manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    He is still the best manager in the world for me, just at a club that severely lacks quality.
    quality of what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainstan View Post
    from doubter to still doubter.
    You still doing your head in mate ?

    This is a long term project with a manager who is prepared to stand by what he believes in, he has the courage of his convictions and no amount of whingeing from short sighted critics or disgruntled fans is going to derail him, IMO he has us playing some wonderful breathtaking football at times which I personally love, we all know about our weakness as there's been enough written and moaned about it every time a result doesn't go our way, I'm convinced he get that sorted also just give him the time to complete his project
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    I think he's a great manager and I still maintain we won't do better than him anytime soon, more importantly his attacking style and charisma is perfect for Liverpool fc, there's a touch of shanks in some of the things he says and does, but he needs to win things and to do that he needs to fix our midfield and defence (but this was obvious before the summer and ignored , not just by him but those above him too)


    The problem is he needs better scouts and a top dof in, and possibly a defensive coach if him and buvac can not solve it on their own. I still think he's too stubborn, the fact there was more than 5 cbs better than lovren let alone klavan suggests that, if we couldn't get vvd which was apparent the moment we issues the apology we should have still got someone else in and went for him later if we were that determined. I think Keita will play box to box rather than simply holding, which makes not buying a dm even more strange, but that's Liverpool , constantly cutting corners. At Dortmund they were having to sell to buy (as klopp said recently when talking about rb Leipzig) but otherwise with zorc and dortmunds talented scouts, they were set up to win. Here under fsg our committee our wholely remarkable and now yes man Edwards it's all set up as an excuse to fail. I doubt we come close to the league anytime soon unless a lot of things change, in fact top four this season will be a struggle unless we buy significant reinforcements in jan (which I doubt we will)
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    Quote Originally Posted by charmac View Post
    You still doing your head in mate ?

    This is a long term project with a manager who is prepared to stand by what he believes in, he has the courage of his convictions and no amount of whingeing from short sighted critics or disgruntled fans is going to derail him, IMO he has us playing some wonderful breathtaking football at times which I personally love, we all know about our weakness as there's been enough written and moaned about it every time a result doesn't go our way, I'm convinced he get that sorted also just give him the time to complete his project
    my question is if he can sort out the attacking side so quick how have we not improved from a defensive aspect in all the time he has been there.

    Surely good teams are normally built from the back this is my real frustration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    Why did the board put pressure on him to change their style?
    Because they felt he was too tactically inflexible to change style when he needed to. He had no plan B, and plan A wasn't working for a number of reasons, some of which I've documented above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainstan View Post
    quality of what.
    Squad, footballing businessman, etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Loco_Bielsa View Post
    Because they felt he was too tactically inflexible to change style when he needed to. He had no plan B, and plan A wasn't working for a number of reasons, some of which I've documented above.
    Interesting.Thanks for the replies
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    My opinion of him now(since I didnt know him well,other than the constant invoking of his name on here by purring fans) is that he is not the Football god that I thought he was.
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    Still on board. Don't see who we'd replace him with in the foreseeable future anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainstan View Post
    quality of what.
    Quote Originally Posted by El_Loco_Bielsa View Post
    Because they felt he was too tactically inflexible to change style when he needed to. He had no plan B, and plan A wasn't working for a number of reasons, some of which I've documented above.
    My oh my that does sound familiar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamingOfKlopp View Post
    Squad, footballing businessman, etc
    But doesn't he have the first and last say on the player recruiting side his words by the way. I will agree with you on the business side which has been shocking for years especially when you consider the changes that have been made over recent years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingAggers View Post
    My oh my that does sound familiar
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    Should be sacked as he aint what people make him out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grevsmoker View Post
    Still on board. Don't see who we'd replace him with in the foreseeable future anyway.
    Don't think many fans want him sacked I certainly don't but we need to see something that can convince us to get fully on board not half which is where I am at.

    Can only hope we can steady the ship till Jan and bring in reinforcements at the back.
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    Currently he is the best man for the job and happy to give him time too. The basis of Klopp's game plan is simple, his offensive play is his defence also. The problem we are a great attacking force BUT here is the rub, in a number of games, yesterday was an example, we could not score for numerous reasons and that is were we get undone! Our team is an "offensive" team, it is set up that way and always will be while under Klopp but again, we do need a class holding defensive midfield player and currently we don't have one. If we had one, then the current defence regardless of line up, would be fine, as they take confidence they have "that" player in front of them. Now where is there one who wishes to come to Liverpool and we can afford him?
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    I admit I have nagging doubts now over how far we can go with him. Bored of having the same conversations about the same deficiencies. What he did, in a different league, 5 or 6 years ago becomes less and less relevant the more we go on. I think it's absolutley baffling that nothing was done to address our overall defensive issues, both in midfield and in defence itself. It's a very real threat to what could have been a real springboard season for us.

    Of course, it still could be, but we have made only a fair to middling start, worse than last year and we have the CL and the Xmas/New year spell to come. I dont see how the issues we have can be resolved without the new players that SHOULD have come in during the Summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayub View Post
    Should be sacked as he aint what people make him out to be.
    The "genius" that he is made out to be is not as apparent as it shld be. This is football afterall, played in front of wide eyed cheering audiences,delighted or bemused by the performance of their teams, and not some game of illusion entertainment.
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