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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Nope. That's money well spent
    Heart over head at this stage. Be that 'freedom', 'honour', control or a seat at the poker table. We've got 'freedom' and control by default at the end of Article 50. For nothing.

    Edit: Added honour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luises-Finger View Post
    Heart over head at this stage. Be that 'freedom', 'honour', control or a seat at the poker table. We've got 'freedom' and control by default at the end of Article 50. For nothing.

    Edit: Added honour
    I've genuinely no idea what that means. Happy to engage, I just don't understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Well, it is a shame the Irish government is not so confident that is not going to happen, as it was their requirement to negotiate this, it was also the British government request to insert the controversial clause, the EU are merely overseeing this matter. I know you would like to blame the EU about this in some capacity but you would need to find something else.
    The EU and the Irish Government(under pressure from Sinn Fein) wanted N.Ireland to have special status with the EU. There is no need for that, then the hard border issue was brought up to sway to put more pressure on the UK Government. The EU haven't exactly overseen the issue with great dignity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    I have no idea what are you trying to say about Crimea to be honest, do you actually understand that they joined Russia 3 years ago? Is the EU trying to get full control of it? How?

    Are you okay? I mean how did you linked this with the situation in Northern Ireland? It is just bizarre.
    Russia invaded Crimea and parts of Ukraine. Crimea never joined Russia. As for the EU and Crimea, the EU have and Ukraine have just negotiated one their biggest deals a few months back. If you can't see how Crimea will be effected once more deals with Ukraine and the EU are made, you seem to be very short sighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    The EU and the Irish Government(under pressure from Sinn Fein) wanted N.Ireland to have special status with the EU. There is no need for that, then the hard border issue was brought up to sway to put more pressure on the UK Government. The EU haven't exactly overseen the issue with great dignity.



    Russia invaded Crimea and parts of Ukraine. Crimea never joined Russia. As for the EU and Crimea, the EU have and Ukraine have just negotiated one their biggest deals a few months back. If you can't see how Crimea will be effected once more deals with Ukraine and the EU are made, you seem to be very short sighted.
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    Pro-Russian forces, supported somehow by Russia, invaded Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. Crimea has more than 70% of Russian population, so it wasn't really "invaded" by Russia, it was an internal revolution and then they decided via referendum to join Russia, the legality of all of this is of course debatable and we could spend days talking about the ins and outs. Of course Russia didn't like that Ukraine was negotiating a trade deal with the EU at the time because they saw it the first step for them joining the EU at a later stage but my question is what the hell has Northern Ireland to do with all of this?

    On the other matter, this is very simple, Ireland requested this matter to be on table for the negotiations, what do you expect the EU to do? The British government came up with a stupid idea that was unworkable and Ireland (through the EU) insisted that wording was included in the agreement, probably because it doesn't trust the UK, you will know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Pro-Russian forces, supported somehow by Russia, invaded Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. Crimea has more than 70% of Russian population, so it wasn't really "invaded" by Russia, it was an internal revolution and then they decided via referendum to join Russia, the legality of all of this is of course debatable and we could spend days talking about the ins and outs. Of course Russia didn't like that Ukraine was negotiating a trade deal with the EU at the time because they saw it the first step for them joining the EU at a later stage but my question is what the hell has Northern Ireland to do with all of this?
    Maybe putin plans to invade Ireland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Pro-Russian forces, supported somehow by Russia, invaded Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. Crimea has more than 70% of Russian population, so it wasn't really "invaded" by Russia, it was an internal revolution and then they decided via referendum to join Russia, the legality of all of this is of course debatable and we could spend days talking about the ins and outs. Of course Russia didn't like that Ukraine was negotiating a trade deal with the EU at the time because they saw it the first step for them joining the EU at a later stage but my question is what the hell has Northern Ireland to do with all of this?
    If you think of Brexit being a technical exercise, in simple terms when Ukraine is a full member of the EU it also wants help from the EU to get control of Crimea. The Ukraine is very similar to Ireland in that respect. The last thing the EU wants is a war with Russia, so does it create a hard border between Ukraine and Crimea or do a deal with Russia so Crimea has some special status to both Ukraine (EU) and Russia. The EU will be working all this out through the Brexit negotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Maybe putin plans to invade Ireland
    I think his reasoning is that in both cases the EU has meddled in internal issues. Well, Ireland is part of the EU soon with a European union custom border with the UK, so is not just "an internal issue". I wouldn't call negotiating a trade deal with another country meddling in their internal affairs either, this is all bit rich coming from him anyway, when the UK has a history of getting involved in other regions/countries business with devastating results in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    If you think of Brexit being a technical exercise, in simple terms when Ukraine is a full member of the EU it also wants help from the EU to get control of Crimea. The Ukraine is very similar to Ireland in that respect. The last thing the EU wants is a war with Russia, so does it create a hard border between Ukraine and Crimea or do a deal with Russia so Crimea has some special status to both Ukraine (EU) and Russia. The EU will be working all this out through the Brexit negotions.
    Ukraine will not enter the eu for the next ten years at least. The next countries in line to enter have been in talks for ten years, and will earliest enter 2022.
    In ten years a lot of stuff can happen with ukraine and crimea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    If you think of Brexit being a technical exercise, in simple terms when Ukraine is a full member of the EU it also wants help from the EU to get control of Crimea. The Ukraine is very similar to Ireland in that respect. The last thing the EU wants is a war with Russia, so does it create a hard border between Ukraine and Crimea or do a deal with Russia so Crimea has some special status to both Ukraine (EU) and Russia. The EU will be working all this out through the Brexit negotions.
    Ukraine has not requested to join the EU, so you are getting ahead of yourself. In fact, I don't think that will happen in our lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Ukraine will not enter the eu for the next ten years at least. The next countries in line to enter have been in talks for ten years, and will earliest enter 2022.
    In ten years a lot of stuff can happen with ukraine and crimea.
    Serbia applied to join the EU in 2009, 8and is not expected to join until 2025.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Ukraine has not requested to join the EU, so you are getting ahead of yourself. In fact, I don't think that will happen in our lifetime.
    You are very wrong. It wants to enter ASAP and has support from many countries. The EU can't wait to get its hands on Ukraine as there's big money to be made from it with a large population, etc. The money the UK will give to the EU will go directly to Ukraine. I just hope the battled hardened solders of the UK aren't dragged into a war when Russia goes ape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Serbia applied to join the EU in 2009, 8and is not expected to join until 2025.
    Serbia offers the EU nothing financially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    Serbia offers the EU nothing financially.
    It offers 250 to 350 euroes wages for stada, fiat, Carlsberg, grundfoss, Abb, eaton etc etc. And one of the biggest grain and corn productions in europe(vojvodina)
    btw what do ukraine offer?

    Also Iceland started negotiations in 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    It offers 250 to 350 euroes wages for stada, fiat, Carlsberg, grundfoss, Abb, eaton etc etc. And one of the biggest grain and corn productions in europe(vojvodina)
    btw what do ukraine offer?
    Look up the mineral wealth of Ukraine. Any wonder Russia is after it also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    Look up the mineral wealth of Ukraine. Any wonder Russia is after it also.
    So have serbia, including one of the biggest lithium deposits in europe. Rio Tinto already got the deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    You are very wrong. It wants to enter ASAP and has support from many countries. The EU can't wait to get its hands on Ukraine as there's big money to be made from it with a large population, etc. The money the UK will give to the EU will go directly to Ukraine. I just hope the battled hardened solders of the UK aren't dragged into a war when Russia goes ape.
    Ukraine hasn't requested to join the EU, the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement started in September, and that's not the same as membership of the EU.
    The battled hardened soldiers of the UK would be where the US would tell them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    Ukraine hasn't requested to join the EU, the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement started in September, and that's not the same as membership of the EU.
    The battled hardened soldiers of the UK would be where the US would tell them.
    google Ukraine wants to join EU
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    Looks like there has been sufficient progress if the nations agree which Jean Claude Juncker is confident will happen.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

    Ireland - no hard border and Northern Ireland has unfettered access to the rest of the UK. As the UK will have constitutional and economic integrity of the province.

    Divorce bill £35-39bn

    Citizen's rights - current and anyone arriving in the UK will be allowed to remain to study, work and live. Family members can join migrants at a later date. UK law courts to take in to consideration ecj judgements.

    It looks like the kippers are not very happy bunnies with words like humiliation. Corbyn has said May has just scraped through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    google Ukraine wants to join EU
    and?
    You have already been explained that the process from application will take at the very least 10 years, why are you worrying about this now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    Looks like there has been sufficient progress if the nations agree which Jean Claude Juncker is confident will happen.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

    Ireland - no hard border and Northern Ireland has unfettered access to the rest of the UK. As the UK will have constitutional and economic integrity of the province.

    Divorce bill £35-39bn

    Citizen's rights - current and anyone arriving in the UK will be allowed to remain to study, work and live. Family members can join migrants at a later date. UK law courts to take in to consideration ecj judgements.

    It looks like the kippers are not very happy bunnies with words like humiliation. Corbyn has said May has just scraped through.
    That's a funny looking Brexit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    google Ukraine wants to join EU
    Wants and handling in a request are two different things. And handling in a request and actually joining is then something even more different.
    and every country have to fulfill 33 areas before they can join after the application. And only a few areas are open for fulfillment per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    That's a funny looking Brexit!
    That's pretty much the agreement on the divorce, nothing to do with how Brexit may look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    That's pretty much the agreement on the divorce, nothing to do with how Brexit may look like.
    Looks to me like a hard Brexit has probably been avoided. The Irish border points to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Looks to me like a hard Brexit has probably been avoided. The Irish border points to that.
    Irish schengen
    Eiregen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alon1 View Post
    and?
    You have already been explained that the process from application will take at the very least 10 years, why are you worrying about this now?
    I'm not worrying at all. The EU are the ones that need to worry. After Brexit they'll have another big test with Ukraine, Russia and Crimea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Irish schengen
    Eiregen
    Eiregen brings up a pharma company in google, I'm assuming this was not your intent? If it was, maybe a quick paragraph after would clear up any misunderstanding.

    Still looks very much like the direction is a soft Brexit which will have plenty of people up in arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Eiregen brings up a pharma company in google, I'm assuming this was not your intent? If it was, maybe a quick paragraph after would clear up any misunderstanding.

    Still looks very much like the direction is a soft Brexit which will have plenty of people up in arms.
    A portmanteau of Eire and Schengen?

    As for the people up in arms, **** 'em
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDREAMOFGINI View Post
    I'm not worrying at all. The EU are the ones that need to worry. After Brexit they'll have another big test with Ukraine, Russia and Crimea.
    Sure mate, I thought it was Turkey, have they joined already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    A portmanteau of Eire and Schengen?

    As for the people up in arms, **** 'em
    You are such a lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Eiregen brings up a pharma company in google, I'm assuming this was not your intent? If it was, maybe a quick paragraph after would clear up any misunderstanding.

    Still looks very much like the direction is a soft Brexit which will have plenty of people up in arms.
    Éire is Irish for "Ireland", the name of an island and a sovereign state.

    The Schengen Agreement is a treaty which led to the creation of Europe's Schengen Area , in which internal border checks have largely been abolished.

    So Éiregen


    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    A portmanteau of Eire and Schengen?

    As for the people up in arms, **** 'em
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