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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    What I can't understand that after religious terror, we look to enact some kind of law or preventive action to mitigate the threat. What I don't get is that when it's domestic terror like this why we don't look to enact some laws to mitigate these ones as well.
    So very true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S_7 View Post
    Why are they firing guns a lot? That there is the problem. I go over to the US every 2 years and it’s a place I really love and would love living there but simple things like going the shop for food, anyone in there could have a gun. It’s madness that it’s just normal, I’ve never touched a gun in my life and probably seen one a handful of times when armed police are around.
    I fire guns quite a bit to stay proficient at shooting... Never know if I will ever need to protect myself or my family... This incident has hit home to me as I lived in Vegas for 8 years during some of my military service and I have many friends who live there including 3 friends who were actually there... Thankfully they are safe... I will say this is terrorism full stop no matter what his motives... Guns are not the problem people are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    What I can't understand that after religious terror, we look to enact some kind of law or preventive action to mitigate the threat. What I don't get is that when it's domestic terror like this why we don't look to enact some laws to mitigate these ones as well.
    Good point
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Concealed carry and open carry are up there with the stupidest things you can have. There is literally no point in having a gun in public if you're a private citizen.
    Yes there is and folks who do this have stopped incidents from becoming worse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    What I can't understand that after religious terror, we look to enact some kind of law or preventive action to mitigate the threat. What I don't get is that when it's domestic terror like this why we don't look to enact some laws to mitigate these ones as well.
    White people commit them. NRA has a grip on GOP and Dem senators too scared to speak out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    Yes there is and folks who do this have stopped incidents from becoming worse
    That is simply not true. In fact, according to all major Government agencies and studies, it's quite literally the opposite.

    Please show me proof of this, and I'll show you dozens of the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    I fire guns quite a bit to stay proficient at shooting... Never know if I will ever need to protect myself or my family... This incident has hit home to me as I lived in Vegas for 8 years during some of my military service and I have many friends who live there including 3 friends who were actually there... Thankfully they are safe... I will say this is terrorism full stop no matter what his motives... Guns are not the problem people are
    Guns are the problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    I fire guns quite a bit to stay proficient at shooting... Never know if I will ever need to protect myself or my family... This incident has hit home to me as I lived in Vegas for 8 years during some of my military service and I have many friends who live there including 3 friends who were actually there... Thankfully they are safe... I will say this is terrorism full stop no matter what his motives... Guns are not the problem people are
    The problem is - who would shoot first? The aggressor or yourself? How did having a gun stop today's attack?
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    Trump addressing the nation now, I managed 20 seconds of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordJamieOfCarragher View Post
    Trump addressing the nation now, I managed 20 seconds of it.
    I applaud your endurance. I can hold my breath longer than I can listen to him speak, and that ain't saying much as I'm missing half a lung.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    That is simply not true. In fact, according to all major Government agencies and studies, it's quite literally the opposite.

    Please show me proof of this, and I'll show you dozens of the opposite.
    Do some research and get back to me... I can see where you come from, but you seem to see only one way of thinking
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    Nevada passed a law for universal background checks on all firearm sales that the Governor Brain Sandoval vetoed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    What I can't understand that after religious terror, we look to enact some kind of law or preventive action to mitigate the threat. What I don't get is that when it's domestic terror like this why we don't look to enact some laws to mitigate these ones as well.
    Because religious terror is spread. It's not a one off. It has a distorted reason and a promise of an afterlife in paradise.thata why laws are passed to try and stop it spreading.
    We don't know yet why this man in Vegas shot those people. Islamic state are claiming responsibility..
    .maybe that's them trying to gain credit . But you cannot account for people having mental breakdowns and hating the world so much that they want to murder innocent people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    Do some research and get back to me... I can see where you come from, but you seem to see only one way of thinking
    I've done the research, my friend. It's plain fact. Having more guns in these situations causes more harm and potential casualties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Em-inLeam View Post
    The problem is - who would shoot first? The aggressor or yourself? How did having a gun stop today's attack?
    With what happened in Las Vegas obviously I would have no shot and all I could do is use my experience and training to pinpoint shot location and more importantly just help get people the heck outta there... Each one of these incidents is different
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    I've done the research, my friend. It's plain fact. Having more guns in these situations causes more harm and potential casualties.
    Are you saying that a Good Samaritan shoots civilians? Is that what you are after?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Because religious terror is spread. It's not a one off. It has a distorted reason and a promise of an afterlife in paradise.thata why laws are passed to try and stop it spreading.
    We don't know yet why this man in Vegas shot those people. Islamic state are claiming responsibility..
    .maybe that's them trying to gain credit . But you cannot account for people having mental breakdowns and hating the world so much that they want to murder innocent people.
    I thought it was a gambling addict who lost all his money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    Are you saying that a Good Samaritan shoots civilians? Is that what you are after?
    I'm saying the law makes it so easy for any nobody to carry a gun, that having more guns in peoples hands during a tense moment increases the risk of more shootings.

    Armed citizens have not prevented crime. Tell me why citizens should be allowed to carry weapons into college stadiums, churches, and schools?
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    Hey ST. What was the first thing Trump did in office. He made it easier for people who had mental health issues to obtain guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Because religious terror is spread. It's not a one off. It has a distorted reason and a promise of an afterlife in paradise.thata why laws are passed to try and stop it spreading.
    We don't know yet why this man in Vegas shot those people. Islamic state are claiming responsibility..
    .maybe that's them trying to gain credit . But you cannot account for people having mental breakdowns and hating the world so much that they want to murder innocent people.
    What am I reading here? If muslims thought killing themselves and other innocents would take them to paradise then every muslim in this world would be dead by now.
    ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    With what happened in Las Vegas obviously I would have no shot and all I could do is use my experience and training to pinpoint shot location and more importantly just help get people the heck outta there... Each one of these incidents is different
    Exactly, so either way you are only reacting to an incident - if you become the first shooter you become the guilty party - having a gun therefore has no bearing on your own safety - if anything it makes it easier for the wrong hands to gain access to firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    I'm saying the law makes it so easy for any nobody to carry a gun, that having more guns in peoples hands during a tense moment increases the risk of more shootings.

    Armed citizens have not prevented crime. Tell me why citizens should be allowed to carry weapons into college stadiums, churches, and schools?
    If I was sitting in that church in Nashville last week i would like my chances to limit the gunmans effort to do what he wanted to accomplish... Now I understand that many are nowhere near trained as I am, but I would like to think that individuals who take the responsibility to carry would also make sure they know fire discipline and the like
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRiedle View Post
    What am I reading here? If muslims thought killing themselves and other innocents would take them to paradise then every muslim in this world would be dead by now.
    I didn't say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Em-inLeam View Post
    Exactly, so either way you are only reacting to an incident - if you become the first shooter you become the guilty party - having a gun therefore has no bearing on your own safety - if anything it makes it easier for the wrong hands to gain access to firearms.
    Reacting to incidents saves lives...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    If I was sitting in that church in Nashville last week i would like my chances to limit the gunmans effort to do what he wanted to accomplish... Now I understand that many are nowhere near trained as I am, but I would like to think that individuals who take the responsibility to carry would also make sure they know fire discipline and the like
    So we agree, need much stronger laws for gun ownership in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngriestRed View Post
    Reacting to incidents saves lives...
    reacting to incidents with more guns in people's hands who aren't trained ends more lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    So we agree, need much stronger laws for gun ownership in America.
    Never going to happen, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Apparently he shot so many rounds that the smoke from the gun discharging set off the smoke detector in his room. Why he was found. Unimaginable.
    Imagine if he had purchased a dust cover...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordJamieOfCarragher View Post
    Never going to happen, unfortunately.
    Sadly true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    So we agree, need much stronger laws for gun ownership in America.
    I have always said that there should be mandatory training at least once a month for those with permits... I get laughed at every time which is shocking...
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