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    I just cannot comprehend the idea that people genuinely believe the best solution is to put more guns into the school environment.

    It's a concept I cannot understand given the stark difference in culture between here and there.
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    Instead of paying teachers more and paying for all the training and equipment that comes with it, just ban weapons and accessories that have no use (ARs, Bump stocks and the like and make sure the gun manufacturers don't take the **** like they did during the last ban), ban open carry and then pump the billions you would have spent under the Trump plan by improving mental health services. Tackles the availability and the cause in one swoop then add a larger tax on weapons and ammo to help supplement the cost over time and reduce availability. Doing what Trump suggests will not do a lot in the long run and may be more damaging.

    God help the janitor who accidentally drops his bucket down the stairs prompting a bunch of nervous teachers to storm the halls with weapons in hand. That's a great environment to teach in isn't it.

    And why in gods name can senators and politicians be basically bought by these companies? If you take money from groups like the NRA that would constitute a conflict of interest and you should be banned for say 8 years from voting on those related issues.

    Because Trump and many politicians are in the pocket of the NRA, of course they won't do anything meaningful though it'll be played out like its the biggest jump in gun laws in the history of the USA, when in fact its a soft as half chewed gum.
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    Make it illegal for anyone under 21 to use, own or buy any type of gun.

    Except any under-21 serving in one of the armed services, I suppose.…
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    If the people there care about their lives they need to stand for it.
    This needs protests on the biggest scale , like everyday protests till this gets sorted .
    I think discussing the situation is simply pointless , i dont want to even argue if its a good idea to give teachers a gun !!
    The solution is simple and easy , ban selling guns as if its they are toys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    I just cannot comprehend the idea that people genuinely believe the best solution is to put more guns into the school environment.

    It's a concept I cannot understand given the stark difference in culture between here and there.
    To be fair, our reaction to terrorism on the streets of the UK is more guns in the hands of police. And it might make more sense to have one or two armed guards who are heavily vetted than no security at all. I assume the rule of thumb is that you want police/authority figures to be at least as armed as the people they're trying to stop.

    But the obvious point and underlying issue is the average member of the public doesn't need a gun. It's not 1791 and you're not suddenly going to get attacked by a bear or something. Just ban guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    Make it illegal for anyone under 21 to use, own or buy any type of gun.

    Except any under-21 serving in one of the armed services, I suppose.…
    Research indicates the brain doesn't develop the decision making function fully until aged 24 I think, but still we have drivers of 17-24 and some want to lower the voting age further!

    Maybe go the other way and make anyone wants to play with games join the armed forces, although that said they may just use their newly acquired skills to kill people in a non-military future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaDrOsKi View Post
    If the people there care about their lives they need to stand for it.
    This needs protests on the biggest scale , like everyday protests till this gets sorted .
    I think discussing the situation is simply pointless , i dont want to even argue if its a good idea to give teachers a gun !!
    The solution is simple and easy , ban selling guns as if its they are toys.
    protests across america until ironically they start shooting protesters!
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Papa View Post
    To be fair, our reaction to terrorism on the streets of the UK is more guns in the hands of police. And it might make more sense to have one or two armed guards who are heavily vetted than no security at all. I assume the rule of thumb is that you want police/authority figures to be at least as armed as the people they're trying to stop.

    But the obvious point and underlying issue is the average member of the public doesn't need a gun. It's not 1791 and you're not suddenly going to get attacked by a bear or something. Just ban guns.
    I don't quite see how that is a fair comparison to make. There is a stark difference between arming police and arming teachers. It's at completed different ends of the spectrum. Our reaction to terrorist attacks is to propose a better equipped police force to provide protection . This is suggesting that civilians should be armed to provide that protection. You absolutely do not want to be putting more weapons into the hands of civilians. I mean, how long before we hear a story of a teacher accidentally shooting a student after an altercation, or having that weapon taken from them.

    But my point was that from my perspective this is such an astounding leap in logic and thought that I cannot realistically comprehend the thought process, but because of the completely different attitude and culture between our countries this idea of arming teachers is considered a somewhat reasonable proposition to make there. To the point of the leader of that country publicly endorsing it and offering a view that they could make it attractive for teachers by paying them more money for taking this responsibility.

    The whole idea is unfathomable to me. I just think what state that country is reduced to that this is a considered solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    I don't quite see how that is a fair comparison to make. There is a stark difference between arming police and arming teachers. It's at completed different ends of the spectrum. Our reaction to terrorist attacks is to propose a better equipped police force to provide protection . This is suggesting that civilians should be armed to provide that protection. You absolutely do not want to be putting more weapons into the hands of civilians. I mean, how long before we hear a story of a teacher accidentally shooting a student after an altercation, or having that weapon taken from them.
    I assume they'd be giving one or two teachers specialist training and arming them - not just asking each teacher to bring a gun. But not sure what the details of the proposal are tbh.



    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    But my point was that from my perspective this is such an astounding leap in logic and thought that I cannot realistically comprehend the thought process, but because of the completely different attitude and culture between our countries this idea of arming teachers is considered a somewhat reasonable proposition to make there. To the point of the leader of that country publicly endorsing it and offering a view that they could make it attractive for teachers by paying them more money for taking this responsibility.

    The whole idea is unfathomable to me. I just think what state that country is reduced to that this is a considered solution.
    Yeah, agree this is the main point. I mean the gun lobby has done such an exceptional job at its propaganda, lobbying, bribes etc that the debate is about U18s vs U21s having guns. About whether you should need a mental health check to buy a gun (I mean... how the **** is that not already in place). It's just so blindingly obvious that any civilised country should have a ban on civilians carrying guns around. But somehow the US just carries on in this bizarre merry-go-round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Papa View Post
    I assume they'd be giving one or two teachers specialist training and arming them - not just asking each teacher to bring a gun. But not sure what the details of the proposal are tbh.





    Yeah, agree this is the main point. I mean the gun lobby has done such an exceptional job at its propaganda, lobbying, bribes etc that the debate is about U18s vs U21s having guns. About whether you should need a mental health check to buy a gun (I mean... how the **** is that not already in place). It's just so blindingly obvious that any civilised country should have a ban on civilians carrying guns around. But somehow the US just carries on in this bizarre merry-go-round.
    Yes the assumption, and suggest by Trump, is that specific teachers would have to fit a criteria. In his mind, it's those who have been vetted, trained and had some sort of former military background. But these are still teachers. Their role is to educate and develop the youth of America. It is not to protect and put their life on the line. If America is in such a position in which children and young adults require this level of protection then the answer cannot be to arm teachers. The notion just becomes more and more absurd each time I process it.
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    we have to accept that America wont drop there right to carry guns,but there law only needs to be changed to limit amount of guns a person can have to a minimum of 2 and to purchase a new gun they have to hand a gun in also change the type of guns they can own,there is no need for automatics to be owned by civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravo19 View Post
    we have to accept that America wont drop there right to carry guns,but there law only needs to be changed to limit amount of guns a person can have to a minimum of 2 and to purchase a new gun they have to hand a gun in also change the type of guns they can own,there is no need for automatics to be owned by civilians.
    It's more important than the right to arm yourself. It's huge business. It's about money as much as anything else.
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    When do we start arming alter boys and backing singers?
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    This is what Gov of Florida Rick Scott said

    "Keeping guns away from dangerous people and people with mental issues is what we need to do"

    "No one with mental issues should have access to guns. It's common sense, and it is in their own best interest -- not to mention the interests of our communities. And much of what I'm proposing involves giving law enforcement the ability to stop people from harming themselves and others, while giving them the tools to keep our schools safe."


    Its like this idea just dawned on him. What a complete incompetent tool
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    This is what Gov of Florida Rick Scott said

    "Keeping guns away from dangerous people and people with mental issues is what we need to do"

    "No one with mental issues should have access to guns. It's common sense, and it is in their own best interest -- not to mention the interests of our communities. And much of what I'm proposing involves giving law enforcement the ability to stop people from harming themselves and others, while giving them the tools to keep our schools safe."


    Its like this idea just dawned on him. What a complete incompetent tool
    Indeed,quite the epiphany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    This is what Gov of Florida Rick Scott said

    "Keeping guns away from dangerous people and people with mental issues is what we need to do"

    "No one with mental issues should have access to guns. It's common sense, and it is in their own best interest -- not to mention the interests of our communities. And much of what I'm proposing involves giving law enforcement the ability to stop people from harming themselves and others, while giving them the tools to keep our schools safe."


    Its like this idea just dawned on him. What a complete incompetent tool
    Isn't this really just a more fleshed out version of the "guns don't kill people; people kill people" argument? Of course mentally ill people shouldn't have access to guns but not every mass shooting incident in America is carried out by people with a documented mental illness. The Vegas shooter, for example, was the picture of normalcy as far as anyone was concerned. And the Sandy Hook shooter didn't even need to buy a gun. He used his mom's. No one bothered asking why a woman in Connecticut needs a Bushmaster rifle.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll take some regulation over no regulation, but what on earth needs to happen before these people start looking at guns as maybe having something to do with people getting shot?
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    So the answer is more guns!

    Sweet Jesus it's getting beyond, and they say North Korea is the crazy country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaze31 View Post
    So the answer is more guns!

    Sweet Jesus it's getting beyond, and they say North Korea is the crazy country.
    Think of a scenario in which there's a playground with a bunch of rocks around, and every so often a child ends up throwing rocks at other children. You claim to care about children and their safety, and you want to fix this problem. So, do you, 1) Give rocks to every child in the playground? 2 ) Give rocks to about 20% of the kids who have really good aim? Or 3) Take away the *********** rocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Think of a scenario in which there's a playground with a bunch of rocks around, and every so often a child ends up throwing rocks at other children. You claim to care about children and their safety, and you want to fix this problem. So, do you, 1) Give rocks to every child in the playground? 2 ) Give rocks to about 20% of the kids who have really good aim? Or 3) Take away the *********** rocks?
    I go for 4 only give rocks to those children whose name begin with a vowel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Think of a scenario in which there's a playground with a bunch of rocks around, and every so often a child ends up throwing rocks at other children. You claim to care about children and their safety, and you want to fix this problem. So, do you, 1) Give rocks to every child in the playground? 2 ) Give rocks to about 20% of the kids who have really good aim? Or 3) Take away the *********** rocks?
    I'd give the rocks to "weapons talented" children.
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    Trump condemns gun-free zones at CPAC.
    CPAC applauds wildly.
    CPAC is a gun-free zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    Think of a scenario in which there's a playground with a bunch of rocks around, and every so often a child ends up throwing rocks at other children. You claim to care about children and their safety, and you want to fix this problem. So, do you, 1) Give rocks to every child in the playground? 2 ) Give rocks to about 20% of the kids who have really good aim? Or 3) Take away the *********** rocks?
    I'm yet to see a kid throw 30 rocks in 10 seconds.
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    I am a teacher.
    Trust me, you do not want to give me a gun........
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    To make matters worse....
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