Notices
Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 61 to 90 of 122

Thread: LFC managers of the past thread

  1. #61  
    MacFoley'1975 is online now First team regular
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    41,032
    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Overlooked by who, when?

    He had basically one very good season - but that was his entire frontline managerial career. He's one of our legends, and if he'd been a manager for longer and repeated his success he'd no doubt be more widely recognised - but he didn't.
    Compared to Fergie I was on about and his treble.
    The Normal One (Emlyn is in the house) - Est 1975
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  2. #62  
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    18,177
    Quote Originally Posted by raybarnes View Post
    Rafa added.............................ISTANBUL
    Only 4 spots available
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  3. #63  
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    24,965
    Quote Originally Posted by MacFoley'1975 View Post
    Compared to Fergie I was on about and his treble.
    Are people still talking about that? Pfft.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  4. #64  
    +Shriekback+ is online now Academy prospect
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    11,420
    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    Agreed.
    Bob Paisley will always be the greatest of them all in my eyes.
    6 League Titles
    3 European Cups
    1 UEFA Cup
    3 League Cups
    1 European Super Cup

    All of success in the space of 9 seasons is truly unbelievable and he won the first ever back to back European Cups in British history, and the first back to back UEFA Cup-European Cup. 6 titles and 3 European Cups alone is a major prize for each of the 9 seasons.

    Imagine a manager now doing what he did.

    Look something like this.

    Premier League (6): 2017-18, 2018-19, 2020-21, 2022-2023, 2023-24, 2025-2026
    UEFA Champions League (3): 2017-18, 2018-19, 2023-24
    "The better you get at this job, the more dangerous it becomes"
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  5. #65  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    6 League Titles
    3 European Cups
    1 UEFA Cup
    3 League Cups
    1 European Super Cup

    All of success in the space of 9 seasons is truly unbelievable and he won the first ever back to back European Cups in British history, and the first back to back UEFA Cup-European Cup. 6 titles and 3 European Cups alone is a major prize for each of the 9 seasons.

    Imagine a manager now doing what he did.

    Look something like this.

    Premier League (6): 2017-18, 2018-19, 2020-21, 2022-2023, 2023-24, 2025-2026
    UEFA Champions League (3): 2017-18, 2018-19, 2023-24
    It may look like a trophy every season he was boss. However he won something in 8 of his 9 seasons that is an 88% success rate. How many managers ever can compete with that over a similar period?

    Look at his record.
    1975. The only season and his first and his only one that was trophyless
    1976 a double of League and UEFA Cup. (His first of five multiple trophy wins)
    1977 A Domestic and European double. League and European Cup. (2nd of 5 multiple trophy wins)
    1978. European Cup. First English manager to win it back to back. First and only British manager to win a treble of European trophies
    1979. League Champions. 3rd title in 5 seasons.
    1980 League Champions 4th title in 6 seasons.
    1981.League Cup European Cup double. 3rd of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1982 League Champions and League Cup winners 5 title in 8 seasons. 4th of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1983. League Champions and League Cup winners 6th title in 9 seasons. 5th of 5 multiple trophy wins.

    Percentage success rate.

    33.33% success rate of European Cup wins. No British manager gets near that.
    66.66% in title wins. No British manager gets near that.
    55.56% in multiple trophy wins. No British manager gets near that.
    144% trophy success. 13 major trophies in 9 seasons.
    Overall trophies: 20 in 9 seasons is 222%. No British manager comes close.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  6. #66  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Try reading my post before commenting. Not once did I say Joe Fagan gets overlooked by Liverpool fans. He gets overlooked by the 'Everything pre 1992 doesn't exist brigade". Every Liverpool fan acknowledges his achievements. Every Liverpool fan acknowledges his work prior to getting the top job. In fact he's recognised as being the brains in Shanks coaching staff. Shanks was the motivator, Bob was the tactical genius and Joe was the brains.
    Absolutely agree. Joe was great soul a great human being. As for the Pre 1992 Brigade their ignorance is beyond belief. The only thing they need to realise is the number of trophies of consequence we have won since then.

    Without these four men there would be no LFC today as we know it.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  7. #67  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by redfoot View Post
    Absolutely agree. Joe was great soul a great human being. As for the Pre 1992 Brigade their ignorance is beyond belief. The only thing they need to realise is the number of trophies of consequence we have won since then.

    Without these four men there would be no LFC today as we know it.
    How many trophies his did Man United win between 1969-1992. I'll tell you...5. 4 FA Cups 1977,1983,1985,1990. 1 Cup winners cup 1991.

    It works both ways, yet they won't admit that. Why? Everything pre 1992 never existed.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  8. #68  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    It may look like a trophy every season he was boss. However he won something in 8 of his 9 seasons that is an 88% success rate. How many managers ever can compete with that over a similar period?

    Look at his record.
    1975. The only season and his first and his only one that was trophyless
    1976 a double of League and UEFA Cup. (His first of five multiple trophy wins)
    1977 A Domestic and European double. League and European Cup. (2nd of 5 multiple trophy wins)
    1978. European Cup. First English manager to win it back to back. First and only British manager to win a treble of European trophies
    1979. League Champions. 3rd title in 5 seasons.
    1980 League Champions 4th title in 6 seasons.
    1981.League Cup European Cup double. 3rd of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1982 League Champions and League Cup winners 5 title in 8 seasons. 4th of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1983. League Champions and League Cup winners 6th title in 9 seasons. 5th of 5 multiple trophy wins.

    Percentage success rate.

    33.33% success rate of European Cup wins. No British manager gets near that.
    66.66% in title wins. No British manager gets near that.
    55.56% in multiple trophy wins. No British manager gets near that.
    144% trophy success. 13 major trophies in 9 seasons.
    Overall trophies: 20 in 9 seasons is 222%. No British manager comes close.
    Nobody in the EPL will ever match Bob's record, and he's up there with the greatest ever managers in the world. That was the greatest period to be a supporter it had everything and more. It had greatness in every sense of the word. Is it no wonder that the post '92 brigade have every reason to say what they do. Granted without the efforts of Rafa and Stevie in Europe we'd have absolutely nothing to show for all these years except one word DISASTER.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  9. #69  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    How many trophies his did Man United win between 1969-1992. I'll tell you...5. 4 FA Cups 1977,1983,1985,1990. 1 Cup winners cup 1991.

    It works both ways, yet they won't admit that. Why? Everything pre 1992 never existed.
    If Kenny had stayed Fergie could have counted his league title wins on one hand. To understand LFC you have to recognise the greatness of these men, the players and teams they put together and Kenny both as player and manager. We were the architects of our own fall from grace and Fergie was there and took the gap.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  10. #70  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by redfoot View Post
    If Kenny had stayed Fergie could have counted his league title wins on one hand. To understand LFC you have to recognise the greatness of these men, the players and teams they put together and Kenny both as player and manager. We were the architects of our own fall from grace and Fergie was there and took the gap.
    Many people think it was Ferguson that knocked us off our perch. It wasn't. It was Arsenal. We went into decline and Arsenal succeeded and United and Ferguson took full advantage. It was Leeds and Man City that knocked Busbys United off their perch. In 1973 Bill Shankly and Liverpool took full advantage when we went on a sustained period of success.

    To cut a long story short, one team toppled the dominating force whilst another took full advantage. Could it be repeated.? That City kicked United off their perch and they are slowly heading into decline and sooner or later we take full advantage as the dominant force?
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  11. #71  
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    2,260
    TheDarknessisCalling

    do your stuff stat man
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  12. #72  
    kickthetyres is online now LFC Forums Moderator
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    23,079
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Many people think it was Ferguson that knocked us off our perch. It wasn't. It was Arsenal. We went into decline and Arsenal succeeded and United and Ferguson took full advantage. It was Leeds and Man City that knocked Busbys United off their perch. In 1973 Bill Shankly and Liverpool took full advantage when we went on a sustained period of success.
    I think that's a key point in the 'knocked off perch' debate, i.e. nobody knocked us off our perch we took that plunge of our own accord. Appointing Souness after Kenny left was an act of a club desperately trying to maintain its connections with its own lineage, and with nobody better within its ranks at the time chose the next best option in appointing a former player who had already made the step into management. Although Souness did try and disassemble some of the stuff like the bootroom that had kept us locked to our past, overall it didn't go well.
    Last edited by kickthetyres; 13-2-18 at 16:52.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  13. #73  
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    29,325
    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    I think that's a key point in the 'knocked off perch' debate, i.e. nobody knocked us off our perch we took that plunge of our own accord.
    Yep destroyed from within - Hence the inability to rebuild....
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  14. #74  
    +Shriekback+ is online now Academy prospect
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    11,420
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    It may look like a trophy every season he was boss. However he won something in 8 of his 9 seasons that is an 88% success rate. How many managers ever can compete with that over a similar period?

    Look at his record.
    1975. The only season and his first and his only one that was trophyless
    1976 a double of League and UEFA Cup. (His first of five multiple trophy wins)
    1977 A Domestic and European double. League and European Cup. (2nd of 5 multiple trophy wins)
    1978. European Cup. First English manager to win it back to back. First and only British manager to win a treble of European trophies
    1979. League Champions. 3rd title in 5 seasons.
    1980 League Champions 4th title in 6 seasons.
    1981.League Cup European Cup double. 3rd of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1982 League Champions and League Cup winners 5 title in 8 seasons. 4th of 5 multiple trophy wins.
    1983. League Champions and League Cup winners 6th title in 9 seasons. 5th of 5 multiple trophy wins.

    Percentage success rate.

    33.33% success rate of European Cup wins. No British manager gets near that.
    66.66% in title wins. No British manager gets near that.
    55.56% in multiple trophy wins. No British manager gets near that.
    144% trophy success. 13 major trophies in 9 seasons.
    Overall trophies: 20 in 9 seasons is 222%. No British manager comes close.
    What he achieved was astonishing, you say no British manager comes close, has any manager? I mean has there ever been another manager from whatever country that won the league 6 times and 3 European Cups in 9 seasons? and of course the rest of the trophies he won including the Uefa Cup.

    Greatest manager of all time? why not.
    "The better you get at this job, the more dangerous it becomes"
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  15. #75  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    What he achieved was astonishing, you say no British manager comes close, has any manager? I mean has there ever been another manager from whatever country that won the league 6 times and 3 European Cups in 9 seasons? and of course the rest of the trophies he won including the Uefa Cup.

    Greatest manager of all time? why not.
    In my opinion, he is the most successful manager of all time based on trophy ratios. Somebody once said that when Alex Ferguson retired. Liverpool sent him a photograph of Bob Paisley just to remind him who the most successful manager of all time is.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  16. #76  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    In my opinion, he is the most successful manager of all time based on trophy ratios. Somebody once said that when Alex Ferguson retired. Liverpool sent him a photograph of Bob Paisley just to remind him who the most successful manager of all time is.
    Exactly how it should have been, and exactly how it was. Why no knighthood for Bob is beyond believe and Kenny too.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  17. #77  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Yep destroyed from within - Hence the inability to rebuild....
    Absolutely we committed Seppaku.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  18. #78  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Many people think it was Ferguson that knocked us off our perch. It wasn't. It was Arsenal. We went into decline and Arsenal succeeded and United and Ferguson took full advantage. It was Leeds and Man City that knocked Busbys United off their perch. In 1973 Bill Shankly and Liverpool took full advantage when we went on a sustained period of success.

    To cut a long story short, one team toppled the dominating force whilst another took full advantage. Could it be repeated.? That City kicked United off their perch and they are slowly heading into decline and sooner or later we take full advantage as the dominant force?
    I agree. However we brought it on ourselves when Kenny wasn't brought back.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  19. #79  
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    9,886
    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Overlooked by who, when?

    He had basically one very good season - but that was his entire frontline managerial career. He's one of our legends, and if he'd been a manager for longer and repeated his success he'd no doubt be more widely recognised - but he didn't.
    Yet you hero worship rafa?
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  20. #80  
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    10,271
    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    I think that's a key point in the 'knocked off perch' debate, i.e. nobody knocked us off our perch we took that plunge of our own accord. Appointing Souness after Kenny left was an act of a club desperately trying to maintain its connections with its own lineage, and with nobody better within its ranks at the time chose the next best option in appointing a former player who had already made the step into management. Although Souness did try and disassemble some of the stuff like the bootroom that had kept us locked to our past, overall it didn't go well.
    If I remember they didn't want Kenny back ( he wrote that in his book ) Keegan wouldn't come, so Graeme was the only one left. As you say he tried and he admits he went about it in the wrong way. Karma. Like Heysel and Hillsborough, that karma conspired against us in so many ways.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  21. #81  
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    9,886
    Quote Originally Posted by kickthetyres View Post
    I think that's a key point in the 'knocked off perch' debate, i.e. nobody knocked us off our perch we took that plunge of our own accord. Appointing Souness after Kenny left was an act of a club desperately trying to maintain its connections with its own lineage, and with nobody better within its ranks at the time chose the next best option in appointing a former player who had already made the step into management. Although Souness did try and disassemble some of the stuff like the bootroom that had kept us locked to our past, overall it didn't go well.
    Books I've read suggest it wasn't souness who got rid of the bootroom.
    Also the players left by Kenny were the problem.....They didnt want to modernise their lifestyle.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  22. #82  
    +Shriekback+ is online now Academy prospect
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    11,420
    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Books I've read suggest it wasn't souness who got rid of the bootroom.
    Also the players left by Kenny were the problem.....They didnt want to modernise their lifestyle.
    He messed up a title winning side, sells Beardsley and replaces him with Dean Saunders, great idea Souy.

    He bought so much crap, Hutchinson, Dicks and Walters. Yeah its safe to say he wrecked LFC.
    "The better you get at this job, the more dangerous it becomes"
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  23. #83  
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    9,886
    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    He messed up a title winning side, sells Beardsley and replaces him with Dean Saunders, great idea Souy.

    He bought so much crap, Hutchinson, Dicks and Walters. Yeah its safe to say he wrecked LFC.
    Beardsley wanted to leave. Liverpool were not a title winning side when souness took over.
    Last edited by seasonedtraveller; 14-2-18 at 17:23.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  24. #84  
    +Shriekback+ is online now Academy prospect
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    11,420
    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Beardsley wanted to leave. Liverpool were not a title winning side when souness took over.
    Currently we were, we won the title 1990, he took over in April 1991. Its like saying just because Arsenal win the league in 98' Man Utd are not a title winning side, to go from being league champions and runners up to a team that would finish 6th, 6th and 8th, Graeme did an awful job, we were not title winners any more because he destroyed the side with his nonsense, he lost 41 league matches in 3 consecutive league seasons.

    As for Beardsley wanting to leave, he didn't. Graeme Souness phoned Peter and said - "Everton want to buy you and I'm going to sell you." Peter - "I get on unbelievably with Graeme now, but I was really disappointed in that. I would never have asked to leave Liverpool"

    I honestly don't believe any of his side of it, for instance he told sky sports that Ray Houghton wanted to leave because he was home sick and wanted to go back to London, he moved to Aston Villa.
    "The better you get at this job, the more dangerous it becomes"
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  25. #85  
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    24,965
    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Yet you hero worship rafa?
    Nope.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  26. #86  
    MishMasch is offline First team regular
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    30,600
    Quote Originally Posted by ***Stuzzza*** View Post
    Nope.
    *hides giant rafa tattoo across your chest*

    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  27. #87  
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    9,886
    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    Currently we were, we won the title 1990, he took over in April 1991. Its like saying just because Arsenal win the league in 98' Man Utd are not a title winning side, to go from being league champions and runners up to a team that would finish 6th, 6th and 8th, Graeme did an awful job, we were not title winners any more because he destroyed the side with his nonsense, he lost 41 league matches in 3 consecutive league seasons.

    As for Beardsley wanting to leave, he didn't. Graeme Souness phoned Peter and said - "Everton want to buy you and I'm going to sell you." Peter - "I get on unbelievably with Graeme now, but I was really disappointed in that. I would never have asked to leave Liverpool"

    I honestly don't believe any of his side of it, for instance he told sky sports that Ray Houghton wanted to leave because he was home sick and wanted to go back to London, he moved to Aston Villa.
    Beardsley wanted to leave so did houghton.
    It's true about houghton.....he went to souness and said he was homesick and wanted to go back to london. No london club came in for him so he endedvip ar villa his homesick excuse was just rubbish. He wanted to go at any cost
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  28. #88  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Beardsley wanted to leave so did houghton.
    It's true about houghton.....he went to souness and said he was homesick and wanted to go back to london. No london club came in for him so he endedvip ar villa his homesick excuse was just rubbish. He wanted to go at any cost
    I don't believe that. I reckon he just had enough of Souness and was pushed out. The same applied to Dean Saunders. Despite the fact he won the FA Cup in his first season, he was far from happy under Souness' regime. Dean Saunders had an affinity with Liverpool because his father Roy played for them.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  29. #89  
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    9,886
    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    I don't believe that. I reckon he just had enough of Souness and was pushed out. The same applied to Dean Saunders. Despite the fact he won the FA Cup in his first season, he was far from happy under Souness' regime. Dean Saunders had an affinity with Liverpool because his father Roy played for them.
    The players didnt like the change of lifestyle and diet souness wanted to bring about.
    They were happy smoking drinking and eating pie and chips before a game ......something allowed for decades under old regimes.
    Souness wanted to modernise but he had players who were set in their ways
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   

  30. #90  
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    3,801
    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    The players didnt like the change of lifestyle and diet souness wanted to bring about.
    They were happy smoking drinking and eating pie and chips before a game ......something allowed for decades under old regimes.
    Souness wanted to modernise but he had players who were set in their ways
    Players are currently still having a smoke. Wayne Rooney and Jack Wilshire being two notable examples. Berbatov was on 40 a day which explains why he couldn't run to save his life.
    Reply With Quote   Quick reply to this message   Report Post   



Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •