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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    So I was right then.
    I have never seen you right
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    So I was right then.
    We should all be Liverpool critics and moan daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    We should all be Liverpool critics and moan daily.
    People only moan when something is wrong - check the records
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    People only moan when something is wrong - check the records
    Some just moan for the sake of it and talk in riddles about in gready ants etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    Some just moan for the sake of it and talk in riddles about in gready ants etc.
    Clearly you haven't been looking at the trophy cabinet - or checking the win % of managers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Clearly you haven't been looking at the trophy cabinet - or checking the win % of managers
    So we should just moan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgRED View Post
    Can't remember who and why sold him.
    Garcia left in 2007 for personal reasons, it was also a "sweetener'' to get the Torres deal done as they went in opposite directions despite being separate deals. He still loves the club though. In that era he was one of my favourite players alongside Alonso and Mascherano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    So we should just moan?
    See - this is the hypocrisy that you you and your fellow cohorts push

    You accept the failings and inadequacies in service of the club you supposedly love

    but

    You hate it when others have the conviction to do what you lot can't

    You get all embarrassed and tighten up....

    You are your band of friends blame the wrong people......... thats why for me it a battle of sides
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    This is a vast list -

    If you go back to the Souness era

    Clough - Dicks - Stewart and James........ all left us puzzled most of the time......

    Kewell for Houllier plus most of his french buys

    Morientes - Benayoun - Voronin - Babel - Keane - Riera - Aquilani - Jovanovic all let Rafa down

    Need to cough when we look at Hodgsons let downs - Konchesky - Cole - Poulsen

    Kenny had problems with Carroll - Downing and Adam not turning up often enough

    And no list like this is complete without Balotelli
    Benayoun?

    You must be having a laugh lad.
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    Litmanen was probably the signing I was most excited by that never really worked out. Phenomenal player, used to kill me seeing Heskey starting ahead of him and bumbling about like a punch drunk boxer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSG-VanBasten View Post
    Benayoun?

    You must be having a laugh lad.
    Thats your call

    I have made mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSG-VanBasten View Post
    Benayoun?

    You must be having a laugh lad.
    There is many on here that have said exactly the same thing. I believe that in fact Yossi Benayoun was one of Rafa's 7 best signings that includes Torres, Mascherano, Agger, Alonso, Arbeloa and Reina.
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    Benayoun was a fine player for 5m. Could drift out of games a bit but still a potential match winner. I remember fierce arguments here when he basically said Rafa pushed him out.
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    Is this really a talk of "potential" or just another dig at flops........? Potential might apply to someone like Babel who was signed young, I'll throw in Sinama-Pongolle, but Aspas and even Kewell were mid 20s when signed so are we not sliding into the realms of ability rather than potential"".......?

    Bottom line with a fair few of the names listed to date was just that we went for players, in some cases from small clubs, that really should have been by-passed. At least with someone like Babel he was at a big Dutch club so you knew there was talent, maybe similar to Collymore as to why he never really fulfilled his potential. Benayoun was a decent signing, did a job and didn't cost the earth, and chelski don't just sign any old rubbish so he is relatively rare in leaving Anfield and going across or up the table rather than down



    This could have been a Saturday morning TV thread, the multi coloured flop shop, but it was too late in the day
    People will believe what they want to believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    See - this is the hypocrisy that you you and your fellow cohorts push

    You accept the failings and inadequacies in service of the club you supposedly love

    but

    You hate it when others have the conviction to do what you lot can't

    You get all embarrassed and tighten up....

    You are your band of friends blame the wrong people......... thats why for me it a battle of sides
    So we should not support Klopp and the players just moan we want trophies now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    Is this really a talk of "potential" or just another dig at flops........? Potential might apply to someone like Babel who was signed young, I'll throw in Sinama-Pongolle, but Aspas and even Kewell were mid 20s when signed so are we not sliding into the realms of ability rather than potential"".......?

    Bottom line with a fair few of the names listed to date was just that we went for players, in some cases from small clubs, that really should have been by-passed. At least with someone like Babel he was at a big Dutch club so you knew there was talent, maybe similar to Collymore as to why he never really fulfilled his potential. Benayoun was a decent signing, did a job and didn't cost the earth, and chelski don't just sign any old rubbish so he is relatively rare in leaving Anfield and going across or up the table rather than down



    This could have been a Saturday morning TV thread, the multi coloured flop shop, but it was too late in the day
    Isn't that the gameplan

    Players that never fulfilled their potential, or expectations....

    Yes - some were too young - some were over hyped - some were over valued and some were over paid

    But at the end of the day - its about perspective and age, wage, ability and application all play a part
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    Babel always looked as though he would do the business, but his first touch was a disaster. Couldn't decide if he wanted to be a professional footballer or a rapper.
    loyal since 1960.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    See - this is the hypocrisy that you you and your fellow cohorts push

    You accept the failings and inadequacies in service of the club you supposedly love

    but

    You hate it when others have the conviction to do what you lot can't

    You get all embarrassed and tighten up....

    You are your band of friends blame the wrong people......... thats why for me it a battle of sides
    It sounds like you want everybody to get on side with your way of thinking, it just won't happen because it's just too negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    It sounds like you want everybody to get on side with your way of thinking, it just won't happen because it's just too negative.
    But if we all buy into his line of thinking it could well change.....nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Topper- View Post
    Litmanen was probably the signing I was most excited by that never really worked out. Phenomenal player, used to kill me seeing Heskey starting ahead of him and bumbling about like a punch drunk boxer.
    Litmanen actually fits into the Karl Heinz Reidle, Fernando Morientes bracket. All 3 were phenomenal players in their own right, we would never have signed any of them in their prime. By the time we signed them, they lacked that something. Markus Babbel comes into that, good for 1-2 seasons when we got him. We wouldn't have got him in his prime though. In his prime, he was a phenomenal footballer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    It sounds like you want everybody to get on side with your way of thinking, it just won't happen because it's just too negative.
    I ain't after approval - I see you lot as wrong - so I will fight that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Litmanen actually fits into the Karl Heinz Reidle, Fernando Morientes bracket. All 3 were phenomenal players in their own right, we would never have signed any of them in their prime. By the time we signed them, they lacked that something. Markus Babbel comes into that, good for 1-2 seasons when we got him. We wouldn't have got him in his prime though. In his prime, he was a phenomenal footballer.
    Babbel was in his prime when we signed him. The only reason we got 1 good season out of him were purely down to the disease that nearly killed him and robbed him of his career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    I ain't after approval - I see you lot as wrong - so I will fight that
    So you want to fight positivity, that's you Ron a Liverpool critic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldiogs View Post
    So you want to fight positivity, that's you Ron a Liverpool critic.
    How can limp - accepting failure be seen in anybodies book as positive - thats what you lot do....
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    And so it became...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post

    No doubt Ron just saw it as another chance to say everything's *****.
    'Okey doke, we'll leave it there so'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Thats your call

    I have made mine
    You have and it's with very little logic. He was bought for 5m as a squad player. He offered so much, probably the best impact sub in the prem for a couple of years. Started many games too and scored a fair few. He was then sold on for a profit!

    If that's a 'let down' then let's have some more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    How can limp - accepting failure be seen in anybodies book as positive - thats what you lot do....
    Why do you bother then when you can only see negativity, why not go on some other football forum and do the opposite? Or maybe the penny might drop they are all the same, football is a game you win some you lose/draw some, fans enjoy the roller coaster ride over the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSG-VanBasten View Post
    You have and it's with very little logic. He was bought for 5m as a squad player. He offered so much, probably the best impact sub in the prem for a couple of years. Started many games too and scored a fair few. He was then sold on for a profit!

    If that's a 'let down' then let's have some more!
    Tbf, he also listed Paul Konchesky as a player he deemed to have one of the biggest gaps between potential and actual performance.

    I don’t think his ability to assess football could be summed up any better.
    'Okey doke, we'll leave it there so'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    Tbf, he also listed Paul Konchesky as a player he deemed to have one of the biggest gaps between potential and actual performance.

    I don’t think his ability to assess football could be summed up any better.
    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    Tbf, he also listed Paul Konchesky as a player he deemed to have one of the biggest gaps between potential and actual performance.

    I don’t think his ability to assess football could be summed up any better.
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