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Thread: LFC players who had the biggest gap between potential and actual performance for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    I ain't after approval - I see you lot as wrong - so I will fight that
    You see a more balanced view as wrong?

    Come on Mysteron stop pretending like no one else but you see our problems, the difference between you and the majority of people on here is simple, you only concentrate on the negatives which by the way we see to.
    Enjoy the ride if you can.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    Tbf, he also listed Paul Konchesky as a player he deemed to have one of the biggest gaps between potential and actual performance.

    I donít think his ability to assess football could be summed up any better.


    Yeh it's a shame we couldn't tap into that obvious world class potential he had, I was so excited when he signed. Even got myself a Konchesky shirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grudge View Post
    You see a more balanced view as wrong?

    Come on Mysteron stop pretending like no one else but you see our problems, the difference between you and the majority of people on here is simple, you only concentrate on the negatives which by the way we see to.
    Enjoy the ride if you can.....
    I don't believe he's capable of enjoying anything, except a good whine of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarknessIsCalling View Post
    Is this really a talk of "potential" or just another dig at flops........? Potential might apply to someone like Babel who was signed young, I'll throw in Sinama-Pongolle, but Aspas and even Kewell were mid 20s when signed so are we not sliding into the realms of ability rather than potential"".......?

    Bottom line with a fair few of the names listed to date was just that we went for players, in some cases from small clubs, that really should have been by-passed. At least with someone like Babel he was at a big Dutch club so you knew there was talent, maybe similar to Collymore as to why he never really fulfilled his potential. Benayoun was a decent signing, did a job and didn't cost the earth, and chelski don't just sign any old rubbish so he is relatively rare in leaving Anfield and going across or up the table rather than down



    This could have been a Saturday morning TV thread, the multi coloured flop shop, but it was too late in the day
    Not necessarily, we could look at players who would potentially be very good for us, but didn't live up to it. Like Morientes and Kewell.

    There have been many over the years who have been big let downs. Djibril Cisse is another I thought would really excel for us, but obviously didn't.
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    Kewell - Great at Leeds. Made of glass with us.

    Collymore - Great potential, never realised because he was/is/always will be, an idiot.

    Morientes - Just didn't work. Great shame.
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    Typical international break thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    I ain't after approval - I see you lot as wrong - so I will fight that
    That's just it, your not fighting it.

    You have given no balance to your view.

    It's like me saying suarez was one of our poor signings. I can just turn around and say 'well your wrong, it's my opinion. suarez was a poor signing' however that would make the statement look idiotic.

    If I tried to justify and 'fights' it, I'd give a fair few points to back it up. Then respond to the points of others who disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Garcia left in 2007 for personal reasons, it was also a "sweetener'' to get the Torres deal done as they went in opposite directions despite being separate deals. He still loves the club though. In that era he was one of my favourite players alongside Alonso and Mascherano.
    Ah, okie. Somehow I just can't remember why he left 😅

    My wife loves Alonso's intense look 😒 but I like Garcia's suck thumb celebration 👍

    Compare that era midfield and the current ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck33 View Post
    Typical international break thread.
    It's this or watching dire Football.

    What about ayers who exceded their expected potential?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed View Post
    It's this or watching dire Football.

    What about ayers who exceded their expected potential?
    Good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck33 View Post
    Typical international break thread.
    Typical international break thread comment.
    'Okey doke, we'll leave it there so'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHed2 View Post
    Typical international break thread comment.
    Typical international break thread comment reply to a Typical international break thread comment....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSG-VanBasten View Post
    Typical international break thread comment reply to a Typical international break thread comment....

    'Okey doke, we'll leave it there so'
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    For me it has to be Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Antony Le Tallec.

    Houllier signed these guys in 2001 after they won the U17's world cup for France.
    Sinama-Pongolle was top scorer and voted the player of the tournament whilst Le Tallec won the 'Silver ball' for being the second best.
    They scored 12 goals between them.
    Then they came to Anfield and it was all downhill.
    How could the careers of such promising players deteriorate so badly?.
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    Ibe was better than Sterling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Ibe was better than Sterling.
    When? When they were 5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    When? When they were 5?
    That was everyone's justification for selling sterling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    That was everyone's justification for selling sterling.
    'Everyone' is a bit of a stretch. Think most people were just happy to get the money grabbing rat out of the club for 50m tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyZidane View Post
    For me it has to be Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Antony Le Tallec.

    Houllier signed these guys in 2001 after they won the U17's world cup for France.
    Sinama-Pongolle was top scorer and voted the player of the tournament whilst Le Tallec won the 'Silver ball' for being the second best.
    They scored 12 goals between them.
    Then they came to Anfield and it was all downhill.
    How could the careers of such promising players deteriorate so badly?.
    Le Tallec definitely (though he did suffer a bad injury in his first season here if my memory serves me right), Sinama-Pongolle did at least score a few goals (and important ones). Pretty much all of Houllier's signings (except for Finnan and maybe Kewell during his first season) in 2002/03 and 2003/04 fall into this thread's category.

    For me it was Ryan Babel, billed as the next Henry and his first season here was promising enough to suggest we could have a top player. Whether it was his antics on Twitter, being played out wide rather than through the middle, or just not starting enough games his performances weren't consistent enough to justify his potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    This is a vast list -

    If you go back to the Souness era

    Clough - Dicks - Stewart and James........ all left us puzzled most of the time......

    Kewell for Houllier plus most of his french buys

    Morientes - Benayoun - Voronin - Babel - Keane - Riera - Aquilani - Jovanovic all let Rafa down

    Need to cough when we look at Hodgsons let downs - Konchesky - Cole - Poulsen

    Kenny had problems with Carroll - Downing and Adam not turning up often enough

    And no list like this is complete without Balotelli
    Bang on .....the above would be small if we all sat down and compiled a list , notice how its the last 25 years that most of the rubbish has turned up here .
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    I remember being at the Hawthorns for Rodgers first game in charge. When it was announced that Joe Cole was coming on as a sub, a groan went up from our lot. Downhill from there Joe.
    loyal since 1960.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewy3958 View Post
    Bang on .....the above would be small if we all sat down and compiled a list , notice how its the last 25 years that most of the rubbish has turned up here .
    A deadwood list for the last 27 years would be quite frightening, seeing as we have signed nearly 500 players in the premier era...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    A deadwood list for the last 27 years would be quite frightening, seeing as we have signed nearly 500 players in the premier era...
    Most clubs would have a list as long as ours. Spurs prior to the last few years the longest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    A deadwood list for the last 27 years would be quite frightening, seeing as we have signed nearly 500 players in the premier era...
    Your deadwood list for this year is frightening!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Your deadwood list for this year is frightening!
    Look -
    you can blame the system - which is the managers fault
    you can blame the the players for their individual errors and application to do the job and their capabilities
    you can blame the recruitment policy, which is the clubs fault

    All indicators show that the club is below expectations....

    Now you can do as you are and go all rah rah cheerleadery over it.... Or you can call it as it is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Look -
    you can blame the system - which is the managers fault
    you can blame the the players for their individual errors and application to do the job and their capabilities
    you can blame the recruitment policy, which is the clubs fault

    All indicators show that the club is below expectations....

    Now you can do as you are and go all rah rah cheerleadery over it.... Or you can call it as it is....
    I'll stick to being 'cheerleadery' over it. Seems more realistic than 'calling it as it is'.
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