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    Is their much difference? Most people are nice and have a live and let live attitude, and Iím all for it. Iím considered by some as right wing because I have certain views on one particular subject. But I probably agree with people on ďthe leftĒ on 95% of things. So what makes a left or right winger? Itís not a trick question, just interested in peopleís ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vonStauffenberg View Post
    Is their much difference? Most people are nice and have a live and let live attitude, and I’m all for it. I’m considered by some as right wing because I have certain views on one particular subject. But I probably agree with people on “the left” on 95% of things. So what makes a left or right winger? It’s not a trick question, just interested in people’s ideas.
    If you don't agree with the extreme left.......you are not just a right winger but a nazi.....apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    If you don't agree with the extreme left.......you are not just a right winger but a nazi.....apparently.
    Some guy once angrily called me disoriented.
    He asked me if my orientation is left or right and i said neither.
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    During my time in NZ I've voted variously for Labour, National (Conservative), New Labour (a bit to the left of Labour), Greens and New Zealand First (Centralist - more or less).

    So my overall leaning would be Labour/Green, but there is worth on all sides.


    Apropos of not much at all, I had occasion to deal with the leader of the short-lived National Socialist Party of NZ in the 70s.
    Not pleasant.
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    I will give you my little definition of Left vs Right

    - The Left want that 99% of the population does well in life. The 1% is already doing well and has always done well
    - The "right" mainly think that people need to justify their existence by taking on poor paid jobs which are available to those without qualifications. Plenty of families each with probably several jobs.
    - The "right" ... by that I include Blair and Brown ... and Gerhard SchrŲder in Germany with his Agenda 2010 ... have left those without qualifications on the scrap heap of life ... to be controlled/policed.

    Any country needs a "business plan" to be able to see them into the future. Things which bring in income. That can not be avoided whether you are Left or Right.... But till now the offer of poorly paid jobs for unqualified people is a very poor offer. There are plenty of things which can be done. But many ideas and projects need to be financed. And money doesn't grow on trees. And money lost to Tax Havens is a good target to be able to get some of that financing. And for those who dont know ... The Bank of England can print money! This is the advantage of not being part of the EURO and ECB.
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    Interesting thread.

    Left/Right is a bit of a false paradigm in my opinion.

    It is divide and rule.
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    Iím not big on politics, therefore Iím not well versed in the whole left and right argument and what not.

    Iíve always voted Labour, although when Ed Miliband was in, I voted for the Greens.

    Universal Healthcare, Free education for everyone without discrimination (Religious prioritising etc) and no borders would be my personal preference. If you can provide those in need with a home, food or anything else they are in need of, then do it.

    Obviously Iím not and never will in charge of a nation, but if I was, itíd be doctors, surgeons, nurses, educators and emergency service members who are paid the most.

    So Iím probably not left or right, Iím somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Interesting thread.

    Left/Right is a bit of a false paradigm in my opinion.

    It is divide and rule.
    Agree
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    Extremes on either side are not good.

    Luckily in mainstream UK politics most parties are around the centre and move either way depending on the issues of the time.

    To me, I don't choose left and right...I choose decency, respect for all and empathy toward people who are really struggling with poverty, ill health, disability or old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    If you don't agree with the extreme left.......you are not just a right winger but a nazi.....apparently.
    A very right wing response haha and if you are left the right call you a trotskyist who desires to live in a socialist utopia.

    i feel any person who is extreme right or left are usually just as bad and are usually extremely hypocritical
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrottonRed View Post
    Extremes on either side are not good.

    Luckily in mainstream UK politics most parties are around the centre and move either way depending on the issues of the time.

    To me, I don't choose left and right...I choose decency, respect for all and empathy toward people who are really struggling with poverty, ill health, disability or old age.
    Pretty much the same mate, I don't understand politics too much or left and right really apart from the basics but common decency that my parents taught me works well enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Pretty much the same mate, I don't understand politics too much or left and right really apart from the basics but common decency that my parents taught me works well enough
    agreed , aslong as you indentify with decency thats the main thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    If you don't agree with the extreme left.......you are not just a right winger but a nazi.....apparently.
    And if you don't agree with the extreme right....you are not just a left winger but a liberal cuck snowflake....apparently.

    Honestly I feel like the terms have lost most of their meaning these days, the term 'lefty' or 'liberal' is thrown at anyone who appears to be giving 2 ***** about anyone other than themselves/people of the same ethnicity/nationality/socioeconomic status, etc. Whereas I'd prefer the term 'being a normal human being'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    And if you don't agree with the extreme right....you are not just a left winger but a liberal cuck snowflake....apparently.

    Honestly I feel like the terms have lost most of their meaning these days, the term 'lefty' or 'liberal' is thrown at anyone who appears to be giving 2 ***** about anyone other than themselves/people of the same ethnicity/nationality/socioeconomic status, etc. Whereas I'd prefer the term 'being a normal human being'.
    if you feel any sort of sorrow for people who are struggling to feed their families or live in a war zone, you're a lunatic lefty
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    And if you don't agree with the extreme right....you are not just a left winger but a liberal cuck snowflake....apparently.

    Honestly I feel like the terms have lost most of their meaning these days, the term 'lefty' or 'liberal' is thrown at anyone who appears to be giving 2 ***** about anyone other than themselves/people of the same ethnicity/nationality/socioeconomic status, etc. Whereas I'd prefer the term 'being a normal human being'.
    You latte sipping ****** human being, thinking and caring about other people. Pfft

    Where did thinking and caring ever get you? I tell you where.....nowhere's

    I'm taking my pursed sour lips elsewhere having contributed to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    And if you don't agree with the extreme right....you are not just a left winger but a liberal cuck snowflake....apparently.

    Honestly I feel like the terms have lost most of their meaning these days, the term 'lefty' or 'liberal' is thrown at anyone who appears to be giving 2 ***** about anyone other than themselves/people of the same ethnicity/nationality/socioeconomic status, etc. Whereas I'd prefer the term 'being a normal human being'.
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    if you feel any sort of sorrow for people who are struggling to feed their families or live in a war zone, you're a lunatic lefty
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    You latte sipping ****** human being, thinking and caring about other people. Pfft

    Where did thinking and caring ever get you? I tell you where.....nowhere's

    I'm taking my pursed sour lips elsewhere having contributed to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Revealing
    Care to expand on what you 'revealed'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Care to expand on what you 'revealed'?
    I revealed nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    I revealed nothing
    Revealing.
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    I'd say social policy is the biggest difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Revealing
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    Pretty much the same mate, I don't understand politics too much or left and right really apart from the basics but common decency that my parents taught me works well enough
    Especially as Left and Right has lost its original meaning in relation to comparing a completely free market (no regulations) and a state planned economy. Capitalist vs Communist.

    It takes no account of social policies so it is possible to be a right wing liberal or a left wing authoritarian.

    I think what is also a concern is that inter/intra-party debates are being stifled due to if someone falls outside the boundary of the viewpoints of the collective then they are a nazi/capitalist or communist pig/SJW/snowflake...

    In the UK it started with all the Shy Tories but it is starting to go wider and is becoming an internal issue. E.g. the current closeting of blairites within or the historic expulsion of certain socialists from the Labour party. Along with should a Liberal Democrat leader be atheist.

    It is not conducive to open debate especially when the only the in-group are able to highlight their beliefs so confirmation/belief bias including even the consideration of having a "red team" look at the policy. Along with for some policies there is no heads/tails or up/down answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Revealing.
    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Revealing
    Bless
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Bless
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
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    Are you stroking your beard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Are you stroking your beard?
    Something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Are you stroking your beard?
    I pictured him with his hands behind his back. And then sweeping one arm across the front of his body with his hands up, gesturing to the ground before him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Are you stroking your beard?
    I don't have one

    Seeing as it's you, I'll expand. The collection of posts I quoted seem to suggest their respective authors believe the main (sole?) difference between those of the left and those of the right is that the former 'care' and the latter do not.

    It's a common theme in conversations with those who are left leaning and it's utterly false, with a few exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    I pictured him with his hands behind his back. And then sweeping one arm across the front of his body with his hands up, gesturing to the ground before him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    I don't have one

    Seeing as it's you, I'll expand. The collection of posts I quoted seem to suggest their respective authors believe the main (sole?) difference between those of the left and those of the right is that the former 'care' and the latter do not.

    It's a common theme in conversations with those who are left leaning and it's utterly false, with a few exceptions.
    Well, its something to aim for in life

    Its just tongue in cheek, I quite liked the joke in response to one specific poster and played with that.

    I agree in principle though, the parts of a sum are not all the same or one way
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