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    Calm the **** down , I simply described a known theory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Lefties are racist? Hate immigrants? Want to control people with a rod of iron? Divide society into those who have and those who have not?

    Have you heard anything about things like a Social Contract? What is that for? I quite like Jean Jacques Rousseau. Prefer him to Hobbes or Locke. Nevertheless, I am not a communist, I dont believe in revolution nor complete control of the means of production... but I am a social democrat ... who believes in getting things done in a democratic way. Not with the jackboot.

    Please define these extremists you have so much disdain for.
    What a load of tripe - if you had a straight line - Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot would be on the left - on the right would be Thatcher and General Pinochet

    and Hitler and Ghandi would be in between

    Extremists, Racists and Hate can be found anywhere - if the conditions are right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    What a load of tripe - if you had a straight line - Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot would be on the left - on the right would be Thatcher and General Pinochet

    and Hitler and Ghandi would be in between

    Extremists, Racists and Hate can be found anywhere - if the conditions are right
    Your quotes are good. Are there any other people interested in politics who perhaps aren't like that? Imagine that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Born in New York City to wealthy upper-middle class English parents, Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels, Ashdown House School, and Eton College. He studied Classics at Balliol College, Oxford, where he was elected president of the Oxford Union in 1986. He began his career in journalism at The Times but was sacked for falsifying a quotation.

    Sacked by The Times for lying...should have been the end of it.
    Think he got to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship, like Bill Clinton, I think as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannno View Post
    Think he got to Oxford on a Rhodes scholarship, like Bill Clinton, I think as well.
    Shame he doesn't use that brain which got him those scholarships. I have still to hear anything decent from him.
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    I've been brought up to be humble, respect everyone, be polite and be friendly I try an live like that everyday however I have views and opinions that some may agree and disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Your quotes are good. Are there any other people interested in politics who perhaps aren't like that? Imagine that.
    I will try for you -

    in generalisation terms they say that

    again on a straight line- that

    No force is on the right - extreme force on the left and the pacifists in the middle

    Now if you use that concept with political ideals

    You have Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Anarchy on the left - you have Capitalism, Classical Liberalism and Republicanism on the right and Conservatism and modern liberalism in the centre

    But we all know that capitalism, the social system of individual rights, property rights, and personal liberty is responsible for millions of deaths through its greed around the world............

    Also where does Islam fit in the spectrum with its Jihad warriors

    As I said Extremists, Racists and Hate can be found anywhere - if the conditions are right...........

    And left and right is biff means nothing in todays world
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Shame he doesn't use that brain which got him those scholarships. I have still to hear anything decent from him.
    Seems he focussed on the things he judged might advance him best/quickest. Shame it wasn't his brain. It's quite damning of our society in a way that his image was prized above displaying acumen. Decadence maybe. Or maybe if he displayed acumen over baboonery, he would be PM (but i doubt it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    My mistake.....falsified a quotation. First time I've ever slipped up. Must be getting tired
    I wish you and DS would stop running rings round me like this all the time.

    As for the first time you have ever slipped up...thank you sincerely for the belly laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DantesShadow View Post
    Seems he focussed on the things he judged might advance him best/quickest. Shame it wasn't his brain. It's quite damning of our society in a way that his image was prized above displaying acumen. Decadence maybe. Or maybe if he displayed acumen over baboonery, he would be PM (but i doubt it).
    Agreed.

    I don't hold to the view that BoJo is an affable clown...I think he is a very intelligent, possibly very dangerous individual who cultivates the perception of buffoonery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Agreed.

    I don't hold to the view that BoJo is an affable clown...I think he is a very intelligent, possibly very dangerous individual who cultivates the perception of buffoonery.
    I think he has been in character for so long, he cannot come back. It will become his 'go to' act every time he gets any heat or wants to throw a tantrum. He should never become PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by DantesShadow View Post
    I think he has been in character for so long, he cannot come back. It will become his 'go to' act every time he gets any heat or wants to throw a tantrum. He should never become PM
    Again I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    I wish you and DS would stop running rings round me like this all the time.

    As for the first time you have ever slipped up...thank you sincerely for the belly laugh.
    Hardly makes him the devil though does it? Boris has done pretty well and is highly thought of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Hardly makes him the devil though does it? Boris has done pretty well and is highly thought of.
    Would you consider Trump highly thought of too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Would you consider Trump highly thought of too?
    Trump and boris are not the same. But they both have millions of supporters
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Trump and boris are not the same. But they both have millions of supporters
    Who said they were the same? I just wondered if you thought this -

    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Boris has done pretty well and is highly thought of.
    applied to Trump as well. He's 'done well' and was elected President of the US after all. I'm not sure 'highly thought of' would be an appropriate description though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Hardly makes him the devil though does it? Boris has done pretty well and is highly thought of.
    Highly thought of by whom?

    No what it makes him is untrustworthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Highly thought of by whom?

    No what it makes him is untrustworthy.
    Can you trust any politician?
    Diane Abbott for example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonedtraveller View Post
    Can you trust any politician?
    Diane Abbott for example?
    Believe it or not, I have met good MPs and good Ministers - we shouldn't judge them all by the standards set by front benches. Reading that sentence back, it is hard to believe they exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DantesShadow View Post
    Believe it or not, I have met good MPs and good Ministers - we shouldn't judge them all by the standards set by front benches. Reading that sentence back, it is hard to believe they exist.
    Especially when you know some things that they are trying to do that should be above party politics. E.g. I hope those who identify as being centralist to left wing will be fully behind the Tory MPs Antoinette Sandbach and Will Quince in their roles as being the Co-chairs of the All party parlimentary group into Baby Loss. Especially as a mum and a dad they have experienced this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreams-come-true View Post
    Lefties are racist? Hate immigrants? Want to control people with a rod of iron? Divide society into those who have and those who have not?

    Have you heard anything about things like a Social Contract? What is that for? I quite like Jean Jacques Rousseau. Prefer him to Hobbes or Locke. Nevertheless, I am not a communist, I dont believe in revolution nor complete control of the means of production... but I am a social democrat ... who believes in getting things done in a democratic way. Not with the jackboot.

    Please define these extremists you have so much disdain for.
    The Far left are just the far right under a different flag, I'd like to see equality described as being neutral, any sway in any direction and for any cause seen as extremism
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    In the West, the politicization of most social, cultural. and even scientific issues has led to a rapid deterioration of the political middle ground. I don't think the situation is recoverable anymore. The question is how long we can continue on this path while averting all out war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    In the West, the politicization of most social, cultural. and even scientific issues has led to a rapid deterioration of the political middle ground. I don't think the situation is recoverable anymore. The question is how long we can continue on this path while averting all out war.
    Everything is politicized, its a horrible way to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    Everything is politicized, its a horrible way to live.
    When the question of whether clean air and drinking water are worth protecting becomes an issue of left vs. right, you know the world's **********.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    When the question of whether clean air and drinking water are worth protecting becomes an issue of left vs. right, you know the world's **********.
    Yes. We've become a more primitive tribal culture.
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    I'm sorry. I started this thread and haven't been involved in it. I've been busy. The difference in western societies? Minutia. Small things. I believe in general we (specifically the UK, but the West in general) are a decent society. We disagree on some things we agree on most things.
    Left and right are just someone's construct. Some things I believe in are considered right wing, others left wing. I think if you're a decent human being left or right is irrelevent. You're just someone with differences of opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Interesting thread.

    Left/Right is a bit of a false paradigm in my opinion.

    It is divide and rule.
    Precisely.

    The left and right have been invented and manufactured by the rulers to split us apart and have us fight against each other while they laugh all the way to the bank.

    Only by uniting, can the so-called left & right ever actually achieve any power and affect any change to this corrupt system of exploitation and state control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acumen View Post
    Yes. We've become a more primitive tribal culture.
    We've been brainwashed and railroaded and shoehorned into being a primitive tribal culture. It's why they've standardized and dumbed down our education system and it's one of the reasons they pay teachers next to nothing. A dumb population is much, much easier to split into two and to engineer to fight against each other and blame the other side of the manufactured spectrum for all the ills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSoundLady View Post
    We've been brainwashed and railroaded and shoehorned into being a primitive tribal culture. It's why they've standardized and dumbed down our education system and it's one of the reasons they pay teachers next to nothing. A dumb population is much, much easier to split into two and to engineer to fight against each other and blame the other side of the manufactured spectrum for all the ills.
    Nothing new there. Well one thing is.
    At least the peasants can have some kind of education today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSoundLady View Post
    Precisely.

    The left and right have been invented and manufactured by the rulers to split us apart and have us fight against each other while they laugh all the way to the bank.

    Only by uniting, can the so-called left & right ever actually achieve any power and affect any change to this corrupt system of exploitation and state control.
    The top at both sides are part of system
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