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    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    I think there is also the argument of the extent the rich and influential can go to shut people up and close down those rumours. According to the NYT, he reached 8 settlements for accusations of sexual harassment or unwanted physical contact. That's what they have record of.

    Just look how Lance Armstrong was able to shut down each and every accusation, to the point of ruining careers and lives if you spoke out again him, for as long as he did. It took years to finally expose the truth.

    It's just not so easy as to say people should have done more when these people have wealthy, power and authority protecting them.
    Absolutely, that's a massive factor

    I know of one particular religious organisation for example, that has a huge fund kept back to silence cases or fight abuse cases in court. They actually have a database of accused and likely offenders, which is protected from the law or authorities

    There are plenty of other orgs do it too I'm sure and like you say, this guy may well have had settlement agreements left right and centre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    Just likes our clubs errors and mistakes - you keep doing it the same way, you are gonna keep getting the same results....

    If they want exploitation/abuse and all those other terrible things to stop, then they need to find another way.....
    Who is they though?

    Its going on everyday all around us

    Its about personal responsibility but also educating people best we can and finding as many preventative measures as possible. Its never likely going to be a beaten problem though.

    Its like I guess domestic abuse in one sense, the last thing you can do is get pushy with a victim and try forcing them to speak out with what they endure, so how do you handle that? I'd say its subtle measures, seeing the signs, making information available and knowing how to subtly sign post someone to help. How you can help yourself etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
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    And I imagine some people do talk, its like we're ruling out nobody reported a thing and just stood by, but I bet you there are some who reported it or tried to raise it and suffered the consequence as a result or perhaps in some cases were too easily cowed

    I know in religious circles for instance and close knit religious societies in particular, those that have spoken out about incidents are turned into the enemy very quickly and have their life and dignity stripped from them.

    For some it becomes quickly a choice between retaining their current life, or doing the morally right thing and losing it all which could include even family, friends and a job.
    Agreed, look at the career of Jean-Marc Bosman when he managed to convince the courts/authorities that a player should be free to sign for any club when their contract expires. The court case cost him his career (wasn't able to establish himself and was seen as toxic) and ultimately his health (alcoholism) and his relationship with a girl friend and potentially their daughter (suspended prison sentence for domestic violence - not trying to excuse this).

    Compared to the current stars he also only received a small pay out which was mis-spent. He also rely on hand outs from FifPro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Seems that Seth MacFarlane knew something...as did the audience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCNvREKTnQc

    Reminds me of this about Saville

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjy8oLVOvi4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esKnWAIgpLY
    Matt Damon have been attcked for covering it up, and ben affleck attacked for knowing about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Who is they though?

    Its going on everyday all around us

    Its about personal responsibility but also educating people best we can and finding as many preventative measures as possible. Its never likely going to be a beaten problem though.

    Its like I guess domestic abuse in one sense, the last thing you can do is get pushy with a victim and try forcing them to speak out with what they endure, so how do you handle that? I'd say its subtle measures, seeing the signs, making information available and knowing how to subtly sign post someone to help. How you can help yourself etc
    I love the personal responsibility or code of conduct idea - it is the next level - multicultural societies are gonna need that to mix and match
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    The man's a monster. Good on his wife for leaving him. Imagine what it'll be like for his 2 kids. Where were they in his mind when he was doing all this? Then he has the cheek to seek "forgiveness and a second chance because it was acceptable when he was young." No it wasn't .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannno View Post
    The man's a monster. Good on his wife for leaving him. Imagine what it'll be like for his 2 kids. Where were they in his mind when he was doing all this? Then he has the cheek to seek "forgiveness and a second chance because it was acceptable when he was young." No it wasn't .
    I think his brother helped sack him too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Matt Damon have been attcked for covering it up, and ben affleck attacked for knowing about it
    Have they indeed?

    Well if Matt Damon covered it up that should be the end of him on our screens...I mean why help cover something like this up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul143 View Post
    Agreed, look at the career of Jean-Marc Bosman when he managed to convince the courts/authorities that a player should be free to sign for any club when their contract expires. The court case cost him his career (wasn't able to establish himself and was seen as toxic) and ultimately his health (alcoholism) and his relationship with a girl friend and potentially their daughter (suspended prison sentence for domestic violence - not trying to excuse this).

    Compared to the current stars he also only received a small pay out which was mis-spent. He also rely on hand outs from FifPro.
    Some real heavy prices are paid for the doing the right thing, so much so for some individuals that it doesn't feel like the right thing for them even though it could impact the greater good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteron View Post
    I love the personal responsibility or code of conduct idea - it is the next level - multicultural societies are gonna need that to mix and match
    I think it can run through many walks of life and situations but its the knowledge, support and the ability to manage it. It requires an in sync society that puts a greater good ahead of the self at every major turn

    In these abuse cases, its made incredibly difficult bordering on impossible in some cases to do that, its what makes it so vulgar in terms of the abuser, their total abuse of power in a dynamic that impacts so many people
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    Quote Originally Posted by DantesShadow View Post
    This Weinstein stuff just gets worse and worse. How can Hollywood have been so head-in-the-sand?
    Are you serious? How can people in power shield their own and enable these predators.

    It happens in every single business. Fox News and Ailes/O'Rielly. Trump. That X-Men director. Principals and teachers.

    It happens in all walks of life. It's terrible, and shouldn't happen ever. And people, not just in Hollywood need to listen and believe these women and take action immediately if they hear things like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Matt Damon have been attcked for covering it up, and ben affleck attacked for knowing about it
    I'm not sure about Damon or what he's been accused of but Affleck was essentially attacked for his hypocrisy. Rose Mcgowan called him out on this statement.

    “The additional allegations of assault that I read this morning made me sick. This is completely unacceptable, and I find myself asking what I can do to make sure this doesn’t happen to others… we must support those who come forward, condemn this type of behavior when we see it and help ensure there are more women in positions of power.”
    She alleges Affleck knew about it at the time of her first allegation against him, and even went so far as to directly quote Afflecks response to her when she first told him about it. His words to her, she says, were "GODDAMNIT! I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT". Now it is instances such as this that you have absolutely no problem questioning. In fact, it's exactly circumstances like that which need questioning. But then, Affleck himself recently had to, or was compelled to, offer his own apology for his sexual misconduct with an MTV reporter some years ago. So, you know.
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    The funniest thing is that a lot on the right are praising Mike Pence's policy of never meeting with a woman alone.

    Like, Mike Pence is such a scumbag degenerate preadator that if left alone with a women he'd do rape. And they think his policy is a good one! My god, it's embarrassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    I think it can run through many walks of life and situations but its the knowledge, support and the ability to manage it. It requires an in sync society that puts a greater good ahead of the self at every major turn

    In these abuse cases, its made incredibly difficult bordering on impossible in some cases to do that, its what makes it so vulgar in terms of the abuser, their total abuse of power in a dynamic that impacts so many people
    Yes it can run through everything

    But not in the current system

    The criminal holds all the cards - they are the protected species

    Until the system protects and makes the victims feel they can come out of the shell they have been forces to put up..... It will keep happening.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    Are you serious? How can people in power shield their own and enable these predators.

    It happens in every single business. Fox News and Ailes/O'Rielly. Trump. That X-Men director. Principals and teachers.

    It happens in all walks of life. It's terrible, and shouldn't happen ever. And people, not just in Hollywood need to listen and believe these women and take action immediately if they hear things like this.
    They should have and should now. And I am serious, it is the sheer scale of it I find astounding, and at the level it took place at. Like someone said, I fear worse still goes on elsewhere in hollywood and other film industries still.
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    A powerful man abuses women for years while everyone keeps mum about it? Tale as old as time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortigen View Post
    A powerful man abuses women for years while everyone keeps mum about it? Tale as old as time.
    That's what I'm saying. The spin on this is amazing. Like, it only happens in Hollywood. Look at politics, on both sides of the aisle. Look at the church. Look at sports.

    My god, all these comments in this thread like people are just realizing this happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    That's what I'm saying. The spin on this is amazing. Like, it only happens in Hollywood. Look at politics, on both sides of the aisle. Look at the church. Look at sports.

    My god, all these comments in this thread like people are just realizing this happens.
    Hollywood is a fantastic place for a predator like this to operate, but it is far from the only place it happens. Any situation in which a woman's professional advancement is subject to the whims of a man is fraught with risk of abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    That's what I'm saying. The spin on this is amazing. Like, it only happens in Hollywood. Look at politics, on both sides of the aisle. Look at the church. Look at sports.

    My god, all these comments in this thread like people are just realizing this happens.
    Look at what happens to kids in some of those institutions.

    Truly sickening.

    Time we collectively stood up and this **** stopped.

    For me rape a child and you forfeit your humanity. That should be the end of you...literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Is anyone really surprised? Bet there's far worse **** going on in Hollywood tbh.
    The Weinstein stuff is nothing compared to what goes on all the time, no doubt about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Look at what happens to kids in some of those institutions.

    Truly sickening.

    Time we collectively stood up and this **** stopped.

    For me rape a child and you forfeit your humanity. That should be the end of you...literally.
    Saw a documentary about a victim a couple of years back. He openly talked about what he went through as a child and all the traumas he had to cope with on daily basis.
    What he also said is he sometimes had the drive him self. But he wouldn't do it due to the traumas he lived through. He couldn't dream of traumatizing a child.
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    Hate these kinds of pigs who believe that the power they have entitles them to do what they want, whenever they want, without fear of prosecution. I would bet good money that, in a couple of weeks time, the name Harvey Weinstein will be off the front pages, and very little will be heard about this in the future. In other words, he will get off scott free, or maybe with a teeny weeny little slap on the wrist, and will be told "Please be more careful next time you abuse someone, as it will get harder and harder to sweep under the rug".

    Scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grenny158 View Post
    Hate these kinds of pigs who believe that the power they have entitles them to do what they want, whenever they want, without fear of prosecution. I would bet good money that, in a couple of weeks time, the name Harvey Weinstein will be off the front pages, and very little will be heard about this in the future. In other words, he will get off scott free, or maybe with a teeny weeny little slap on the wrist, and will be told "Please be more careful next time you abuse someone, as it will get harder and harder to sweep under the rug".

    Scum.
    It'll be off the front pages soon enough of course, you think they are going to run this story forever? But the damage has been done and it's irreversible at this point, no going back for him now. These aren't everyday people accusing him, these are the elite of Hollywood. His career and marriage are over already that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoscoch View Post
    Have they indeed?

    Well if Matt Damon covered it up that should be the end of him on our screens...I mean why help cover something like this up?
    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    I'm not sure about Damon or what he's been accused of but Affleck was essentially attacked for his hypocrisy. Rose Mcgowan called him out on this statement.



    She alleges Affleck knew about it at the time of her first allegation against him, and even went so far as to directly quote Afflecks response to her when she first told him about it. His words to her, she says, were "GODDAMNIT! I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT". Now it is instances such as this that you have absolutely no problem questioning. In fact, it's exactly circumstances like that which need questioning. But then, Affleck himself recently had to, or was compelled to, offer his own apology for his sexual misconduct with an MTV reporter some years ago. So, you know.
    Anthony Bourdain is accusing Damon of stoping a expose about weinstein, that should have been i the ny times in 2004.

    Damons excuse is that it was about Lombardo. Who helped weinstein ensnaring women, and had contacts to russian escorts he organized for parties.

    Russell Crowe should have called the journalist as well. Could be that Damon and Crowe likes Russian escorts and they tried to stop a scandal about them and Lombardo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    It'll be off the front pages soon enough of course, you think they are going to run this story forever? But the damage has been done and it's irreversible at this point, no going back for him now. These aren't everyday people accusing him, these are the elite of Hollywood. His career and marriage are over already that's for sure.
    His career and marriage may well be over, but what about him actually paying for his crimes and being prosecuted, and serving time as a result? I don't see that happening, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lfcstlouis View Post
    That's what I'm saying. The spin on this is amazing. Like, it only happens in Hollywood. Look at politics, on both sides of the aisle. Look at the church. Look at sports.

    My god, all these comments in this thread like people are just realizing this happens.
    Not really to be fair in regards to your last comment, there was a whole convo a page back on that, religion sports, politics, organisations etc. I don't think many are thinking this is unique in here
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    Quote Originally Posted by grenny158 View Post
    Hate these kinds of pigs who believe that the power they have entitles them to do what they want, whenever they want, without fear of prosecution. I would bet good money that, in a couple of weeks time, the name Harvey Weinstein will be off the front pages, and very little will be heard about this in the future. In other words, he will get off scott free, or maybe with a teeny weeny little slap on the wrist, and will be told "Please be more careful next time you abuse someone, as it will get harder and harder to sweep under the rug".

    Scum.
    Catholic priest style, please gentleman...please stop....getting caught
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    Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
    YNWA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    Anthony Bourdain is accusing Damon of stoping a expose about weinstein, that should have been i the ny times in 2004.

    Damons excuse is that it was about Lombardo. Who helped weinstein ensnaring women, and had contacts to russian escorts he organized for parties.

    Russell Crowe should have called the journalist as well. Could be that Damon and Crowe likes Russian escorts and they tried to stop a scandal about them and Lombardo.
    I read Damon's view of this on Deadline. It sounds nothing at all like what has been implied. As in what he talked about with the journalist was not a story trying to expose Weinstein. From the way I initially read the story it was that he used his influence to help stop a story that would have exposed Weinstein and it was both him and Crowe used their position to stop the story leaking. It reads more like he was asked to talk about his experiences with Lombardo, and the story never ran because (according to her editor at the time) it just wasnt a good enough article. You also have the two senior editors at the time, and the current editor all saying there is no way they were pressured into killing the story.

    I think he's been implicated by association, and there's no real merit to the journalists claims that her story was killed. Or at least specifically that Damon helped kill it.

    Very sketchy indeed.

    http://deadline.com/2017/10/matt-dam...ew-1202185574/
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    A predater and a pervert of the highest order. Should be extraditioned back to the US and stand trial
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    lol the irony of Assange trying to weigh in on this.,.. from his closet he's hiding in for the past 5 years.
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