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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post

    Clearly you are not paying attention - wrong on so many levels - enjoy it while it lasts - I know who I believe
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    The effort the players put in during pre-season is paying off. The start to the season wasn't perfectly how you'd of imagined, thankfully going into new year looks a much brighter prospect as long as we keep believing in ourselves.
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    it is nice that Klopp learned from last Christmas when we ran out of steam and our season imploded.

    If he could sort the defence out he could be on to something good here, but until the defence gets sorted we will never quite be there.

    Playing well at the moment though, fingers crossed it continues, and to be honest over the last 10 games there has been fewer defensive errors leading to goals, taking Sevilla out of the equation we've kept scores low in terms of the opposition. So credit to the team for turning that around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wearethereds93 View Post
    it is nice that Klopp learned from last Christmas when we ran out of steam and our season imploded.

    If he could sort the defence out he could be on to something good here, but until the defence gets sorted we will never quite be there.

    Playing well at the moment though, fingers crossed it continues, and to be honest over the last 10 games there has been fewer defensive errors leading to goals, taking Sevilla out of the equation we've kept scores low in terms of the opposition. So credit to the team for turning that around.
    The defenders are all good players. The system is one that you can't learn overnight and constant changes makes it harder to work the system of the high line.

    The goalkeeper however in migs can definitely be upgraded even if it is karius but I can see why klopp is trying to minimise the change to the side.
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    First manager to advance past the Champions League group stage since Rafa Benitez back in 2008-09 season.

    He is most certainly the right manager for the job.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    First manager to advance past the Champions League group stage since Rafa Benitez back in 2008-09 season.

    He is most certainly the right manager for the job.
    Without a doubt...and people were banging on about Rodgers having a better record, give me a break!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    Without a doubt...and people were banging on about Rodgers having a better record, give me a break!
    Its crazy isn't it.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    Without a doubt...and people were banging on about Rodgers having a better record, give me a break!
    They must have forgotten our last CL outing, Balo and Lambert providing the firepower and playing our reserves against Real and 'resting' Gerrard...shudders...
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    They must have forgotten our last CL outing, Balo and Lambert providing the firepower and playing our reserves against Real and 'resting' Gerrard...shudders...
    Getting knocked out by Basel..Those were the days..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil_Y2j View Post
    Getting knocked out by Basel..Those were the days..
    I can remember getting like 1 shot on goal per game under Rodgers how painful that was, anyone who still wants to harp on about Rodgers being equal to Klopp is clearly losing their sanity.
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    I'm certain some supporters just think football is about buying the best players, not aware that even if you can they're not automatically going to make your team instantly play better. 'gets the defence sorted'
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates View Post
    I'm certain some supporters just think football is about buying the best players, not aware that even if you can they're not automatically going to make your team instantly play better. 'gets the defence sorted'
    Exactly.

    I've been saying that all along.

    According to many, the solution is signing centre backs. No it's not, it's about signing the right centre backs. It's very easy to get it horribly wrong. Ask Man City and Arsenal. According to many it's also about signing a centre forward. Again this is wrong? It's not that easy. It has to be the right player that fits seamlessly into the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLiddellGreates View Post
    I'm certain some supporters just think football is about buying the best players, not aware that even if you can they're not automatically going to make your team instantly play better. 'gets the defence sorted'
    Every successful side needs a solid base to work from, build from the back has always been the key. This will be the next stage from Klopp.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    Every successful side needs a solid base to work from, build from the back has always been the key. This will be the next stage from Klopp.
    Has to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Exactly.

    I've been saying that all along.

    According to many, the solution is signing centre backs. No it's not, it's about signing the right centre backs. It's very easy to get it horribly wrong. Ask Man City and Arsenal. According to many it's also about signing a centre forward. Again this is wrong? It's not that easy. It has to be the right player that fits seamlessly into the system.
    It is still the solution, building from the back is key.

    Shanks knew it by signing Yeats and was immediately installed as captain, Bob signed Hansen the greatest defender in British history, Lawro as well.

    This club when it was massively successful had world class centre back after centre back.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebeastyboy View Post
    Has to be
    I would say another 2 centre backs.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    Every successful side needs a solid base to work from, build from the back has always been the key. This will be the next stage from Klopp.
    Exactly.

    The good news according to the 'experts " that's the easy bit. The experts say moulding the attack into a formidable attacking unit is the difficult part.

    I disagree. I don't think one is easier than the other. Both involve signing not just players, but the right players. They must compliment each other. That's why our forward line works. It's got a mixture of finesse and force. Salah and Coutinho provide the finesse, Firmino and Mane provide the force/brutality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Exactly.

    The good news according to the 'experts " that's the easy bit. The experts say moulding the attack into a formidable attacking unit is the difficult part.

    I disagree. I don't think one is easier than the other. Both involve signing not just players, but the right players. They must compliment each other. That's why our forward line works. It's got a mixture of finesse and force. Salah and Coutinho provide the finesse, Firmino and Mane provide the force/brutality.
    Yeah of course, that explains the Van Dijk pursuit and why he was interested in Sule as well.
    "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wearethereds93 View Post
    If he could sort the defence out he could be on to something good here, but until the defence gets sorted we will never quite be there.
    We've allowed 2 goals or more twice in the last 14 matches and only 8 times all season. So in 2/3 of our matches we've allowed 1 or fewer goals. Half of the goals conceded all season were in 4 matches: at City (with 10 men for 4 of them), at Spurs, at Sevilla, and at Watford on opening day. So away to 3 teams in the CL knockout stages and at the team currently sitting in 8th in the league with the opening day crowd behind them (and the defenders weren't the problem on 2/3 of the goals allowed that day).

    Yes, we've allowed some bad goals at times (Hoffenheim second at home, Sevilla first at home, 3rd at Watford, etc.) but overall the defense has been pretty solid even with the lack of depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    I would say another 2 centre backs.
    I would not.

    We need a CB that can play a high line. So there are not too many out there that can. How many in the prem can play the high line and be dominant in the air? There's pretty few.

    Lovren is very much suited to that role. Klavan is a bit of a mix so when he plays with matip, he plays as the attacking cb. When he plays with lov, he plays as the deeper cb.

    Gomez too seems to be decent at both however at this moment is better as the deeper cb.

    What this high line needs is stability and getting accustomed to it. We've effectively had 4 new defenders bedded in to the side this year.

    Moreno, Robertson, Clyne and gomez.

    Clyne has been insured and milner is no longer first choice LB. We have seen good signs of how the team plays when the high line works and it needs a bit of fine tuning. At most we need one new cb and that is one that is a front foot cb. Not one like a skrtel, agger or sakho or even a carra. Vvd is a front foot cb.

    So the options are limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by +Shriekback+ View Post
    Yeah of course, that explains the Van Dijk pursuit and why he was interested in Sule as well.
    That is exactly the reason he wanted/still wants Van Dijk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloppsstars View Post
    Exactly.

    The good news according to the 'experts " that's the easy bit. The experts say moulding the attack into a formidable attacking unit is the difficult part.

    I disagree. I don't think one is easier than the other. Both involve signing not just players, but the right players. They must compliment each other. That's why our forward line works. It's got a mixture of finesse and force. Salah and Coutinho provide the finesse, Firmino and Mane provide the force/brutality.
    Salah seems pretty brutal to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSG-VanBasten View Post
    I would not.

    We need a CB that can play a high line. So there are not too many out there that can. How many in the prem can play the high line and be dominant in the air? There's pretty few.

    Lovren is very much suited to that role. Klavan is a bit of a mix so when he plays with matip, he plays as the attacking cb. When he plays with lov, he plays as the deeper cb.

    Gomez too seems to be decent at both however at this moment is better as the deeper cb.

    What this high line needs is stability and getting accustomed to it. We've effectively had 4 new defenders bedded in to the side this year.

    Moreno, Robertson, Clyne and gomez.

    Clyne has been insured and milner is no longer first choice LB. We have seen good signs of how the team plays when the high line works and it needs a bit of fine tuning. At most we need one new cb and that is one that is a front foot cb. Not one like a skrtel, agger or sakho or even a carra. Vvd is a front foot cb.

    So the options are limited.
    Lovren makes too many mistakes, Klavan good enough? Gomez is still progressing.

    We need at least one more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wearethereds93 View Post
    it is nice that Klopp learned from last Christmas when we ran out of steam and our season imploded.

    If he could sort the defence out he could be on to something good here, but until the defence gets sorted we will never quite be there.

    Playing well at the moment though, fingers crossed it continues, and to be honest over the last 10 games there has been fewer defensive errors leading to goals, taking Sevilla out of the equation we've kept scores low in terms of the opposition. So credit to the team for turning that around.
    Klopp believes in coaching the mistakes out. That philosophy hasn't changed.

    We need a CB because we are low on quality there, but Klavan and Lovren have been good - but also getting better protection in front of them helps.

    Fingers don't need to be crossed, hard work, only hard work pays off. Hard work on the training field. That is all. Really simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsFanBro View Post
    Klopp believes in coaching the mistakes out. That philosophy hasn't changed.

    We need a CB because we are low on quality there, but Klavan and Lovren have been good - but also getting better protection in front of them helps.

    Fingers don't need to be crossed, hard work, only hard work pays off. Hard work on the training field. That is all. Really simple.
    This. We have definitely got a better shape to us (formation), defending as a unit. We don’t play as ‘scattered’ as we have done. We saw it 1st half against Sevilla and then in the last couple of games. We’re still a bit dodgy but you can clearly see improvements in our setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsFanBro View Post
    Klopp believes in coaching the mistakes out. That philosophy hasn't changed.

    We need a CB because we are low on quality there, but Klavan and Lovren have been good - but also getting better protection in front of them helps.

    Fingers don't need to be crossed, hard work, only hard work pays off. Hard work on the training field. That is all. Really simple.
    We're not that far away from really competing for the title , keita is coming next summer and a couple of centre halves(one starter and one backup cb if lovren leaves) and we'll be properly up there competing on all fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsFanBro View Post
    Klopp believes in coaching the mistakes out. That philosophy hasn't changed.

    We need a CB because we are low on quality there, but Klavan and Lovren have been good - but also getting better protection in front of them helps.

    Fingers don't need to be crossed, hard work, only hard work pays off. Hard work on the training field. That is all. Really simple.
    Very true.That's Klopps philosophy, it takes time but he's getting there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steviewonder87 View Post
    Seems there's a few posters who mysteriously seem to go AWOL when we win...
    Brilliant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil_Y2j View Post
    We're not that far away from really competing for the title , keita is coming next summer and a couple of centre halves(one starter and one backup cb if lovren leaves) and we'll be properly up there competing on all fronts.
    We need that back up even if lovren stays
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    Thatís your opinion.....
    Why on earth would Liverpool want to weaken themselves by selling key players? Think before you post.
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