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    Ugo Ehiogu, who died in April, will be paid a special tribute at the Football Black List awards on Wednesday.

    Former Aston Villa, Middlesbrough and England defender Ehiogu suffered a cardiac arrest while working as an U23 coach at Tottenham earlier this year, weeks after being presented with the One to Watch award by the Football Black List - which celebrates the contributions of people from African and Caribbean backgrounds.

    Jermain Defoe, Alex Scott, Yaya Toure, Nick Blackman and Joe Thompson are among those that will receive awards at this year's event, which is supported by the Premier League.

    "Ugo made a significant contribution to the Premier League," said Premier League executive chairman, Richard Scudamore.

    "He was as an outstanding footballer for Aston Villa, Middlesbrough and other clubs and more recently a highly regarded Academy coach at Tottenham Hotspur.

    "In Ugo, the young players at Spurs had an excellent role model. While he is best known for his stellar football career, Ugo was a great person who used his profile to support charities and inspire positive change in the sport and beyond."

    Ehiogu's family will be present to hand out the awards, including the One to Watch category which has been renamed in his honour.

    "Ugo is sorely missed by so many and we felt it was appropriate to name an award category after him to ensure that he remains with us at every Football Black List celebration," said Leon Mann, co-founder of the Football Black List.

    "The initiative is gaining more and more support each year and we are delighted the Premier League are once again supporting the celebration.

    "We all want to see more diversity across all areas of the game - to be more representative of society and the game we all love. The Football Black List can play a role in helping the industry achieve this."
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    Now I've no problem with Ugo being handed an award for his achievements and a special tribute he deserves but the first thing when I saw the title of this ceremony was, "Isn't this a bit racist?"

    Now I've no intention of trying to cause a whole debacle here but I find it absurd that we are trying to force out racism in the game but yet there is an awards ceremony for black footballers. Imagine the outrage if there was a 'Football White List' - where only white footballers would be handed awards for contribution to the game. It wouldn't happen!!!

    What is the difference here?
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    I’m totally and utterly bemused and confused.

    What is correct, what is wrong, what is acceptable, what is unacceptable.

    In today’s world, they all seem to blend into each other.
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    No disrespect but in no way, shape or fashion did Ugo Ehiogu have a 'stellar football career'.
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    Don't see the problem with the name of the name of the award ceremony. Perhaps it's an attempt at reclamation, to remove negative connotations from the phrase? Perhaps it's nothing more than a play on words?
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    So basically, this thread was created to stir up some race discussion.

    Can't see it lasting long to be honest, at least put this in off-topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larissa Karius View Post
    Now I've no problem with Ugo being handed an award for his achievements and a special tribute he deserves but the first thing when I saw the title of this ceremony was, "Isn't this a bit racist?"

    Now I've no intention of trying to cause a whole debacle here but I find it absurd that we are trying to force out racism in the game but yet there is an awards ceremony for black footballers. Imagine the outrage if there was a 'Football White List' - where only white footballers would be handed awards for contribution to the game. It wouldn't happen!!!

    What is the difference here?
    There is a particularly powerful quote from Solange's new album that always resonates with me. I think it's relevant to your opinion above and the general discussion:

    Because you celebrate black culture does not mean that you don't like white culture or that you putting it down. It's just taking pride in it, but what's irritating is when somebody says, you know, "They're racist!", "That's reverse racism!" or, "They have a Black History Month, but we don't have a White History Month!"

    Well, all we've ever been taught is white history. So, why are you mad at that? Why does that make you angry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewdleyfan View Post
    There is a particularly powerful quote from Solange's new album that always resonates with me. I think it's relevant to your opinion above and the general discussion:

    Because you celebrate black culture does not mean that you don't like white culture or that you putting it down. It's just taking pride in it, but what's irritating is when somebody says, you know, "They're racist!", "That's reverse racism!" or, "They have a Black History Month, but we don't have a White History Month!"

    Well, all we've ever been taught is white history. So, why are you mad at that? Why does that make you angry?
    I think you are one of the best posters on here mate and you’ve just gone up another couple of notches in my estimation.

    That quote says it all. Not sure there’s anything more to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIOS View Post
    Don't see the problem with the name of the name of the award ceremony. Perhaps it's an attempt at reclamation, to remove negative connotations from the phrase? Perhaps it's nothing more than a play on words?
    I eagerly await the football gay list awards...
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    This is the problem I have with this world today. I have had so many disagreements with friends and family members over black people differentiating themselves from the rest of society. I had first hand racist abuse growing up in a tough part of Liverpool but I found at a very young age if I ignored skin colour and stopped 'hanging round with my own people' racisim would stop, and guess what, it did. Ugo Ehiogu shouldn't be remembered as a black football, he should be remembered as a footballer. I have seen it all my life, the black community taking themselves out of society and keeping themselves to themselves, shopping in certain places, socialising in certain places, eating in certain place all together, why? It needs to stop or racism will never stop. The Football Black list, or Football White list, whitewater. Both very wrong as cause more harm than good.

    People go on about the lack of black managers in the English Premier league, but what about the lack of English managers, and English Players? That's an issue. For every failed black manager their is a failed white manager. This is all nonsense and need to stop. RIP Ugo Ehiogu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewdleyfan View Post
    There is a particularly powerful quote from Solange's new album that always resonates with me. I think it's relevant to your opinion above and the general discussion:

    Because you celebrate black culture does not mean that you don't like white culture or that you putting it down. It's just taking pride in it, but what's irritating is when somebody says, you know, "They're racist!", "That's reverse racism!" or, "They have a Black History Month, but we don't have a White History Month!"

    Well, all we've ever been taught is white history. So, why are you mad at that? Why does that make you angry?
    In the context of topics like history, Solange is spot on, given the dominance of Caucasian history taught in schools compared to black-oriented history.

    But for football awards, is there a feeling of bias towards white players due to their race when awards are given out? (I know there is much discussion related to managers and indeed fans within our sport but that's two other separate topics).

    If not, then making a race-specific set of footy awards causes two issues for me:
    1) Demeans black players as if they have to have a set of awards just for them
    2) Causes unnecessary division when between players, none (or at least not much) exists

    I'm sure the likes of Weah and Henry wouldn't want to be considered for an award where the colour of their skin was a factor - they did pretty fine without such criteria!
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    The problem we have is that we're constantly being told we're all the same and equal, yet an award for X is celebrating a unique attribute in a certain category by definition elevating that person above the rest and thereby making them special or different, it really doesn't matter what the award is for, the two positions can't co exist.

    As for being only taught white history that's pretty funny speaking as a white scouser educated in England, its just history and guess what if the indigenous populations in those areas at a certain time were predominantly white thats not racism, its just a fact, in school I learnt Henry VIII had six white wives is that racist or just a fact? Should we change our history and say he had one in each shade, life isn't like a boy band of carefully selected looks and styles to tick the diversity box sorry.

    The more the uber liberals try to celebrate minorities of all types because of the a distinguishing factor the more they fuel what they are trying to avoid...racism/predjudism, because the b*l*s*i* factor is pretty obvious to anyone who can look objectively without snowflake faux emotion. Lets celebrate the best because they are the best regardless of colour, it's like Lovern winning player of the month, either the award is for being the best or its not, if you feel sorry for them and want to make them feel better maybe go cut his hedge, buy him some flowers and give him a standing ovation everytime he makes a mistake to encourage him, but lets not pretend he's been awesome and deserving of player of the month. Ugo had an unremarkable career compared to literally hunderds of other players that made it into the england setup, if the only deciding factor is because of his skin colour than thats a sad indictment of our society today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukadamainman View Post
    No disrespect but in no way, shape or fashion did Ugo Ehiogu have a 'stellar football career'.
    It's more this mate >>>
    which celebrates the contributions of people from African and Caribbean backgrounds.
    He had a good career and was doing a great job with youngsters, ask the young lads he was coaching if they miss his contribution to their lives and development and I'm sure the answer would be yes
    dont look back in anger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larissa Karius View Post
    Now I've no problem with Ugo being handed an award for his achievements and a special tribute he deserves but the first thing when I saw the title of this ceremony was, "Isn't this a bit racist?"

    Now I've no intention of trying to cause a whole debacle here but I find it absurd that we are trying to force out racism in the game but yet there is an awards ceremony for black footballers. Imagine the outrage if there was a 'Football White List' - where only white footballers would be handed awards for contribution to the game. It wouldn't happen!!!

    What is the difference here?
    looking at the headline and the awards then i really have to agree with you. it really does make a mockery of things and seems very one sided when it chooses to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearWithMe View Post
    He's not wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kas74 View Post
    He's not wrong.
    He's 100000% bang on the money.

    I actually cant believe some people think to stop racism we need to create ghettoised organisations for black people only! it's basically a two finger salute to all non blacks, like the MOBO awards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearWithMe View Post
    brilliant. nail on head there. couldn't have put it better meself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aylesbyred View Post
    It's more this mate >>>

    He had a good career and was doing a great job with youngsters, ask the young lads he was coaching if they miss his contribution to their lives and development and I'm sure the answer would be yes
    Yeah no doubt he was probably a good guy and respected coach. Not a great player like the article suggests though.
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    Where's the awards for people from North American backgrounds then? Eastern European? Asian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearWithMe View Post
    He's 100000% bang on the money.

    I actually cant believe some people think to stop racism we need to create ghettoised organisations for black people only! it's basically a two finger salute to all non blacks, like the MOBO awards.
    Are you really that sensitive, dare I say it ignorant?

    Do you know how many White artists have won a MOBO and the many more nominated?

    Some people really do live in a glass bubble.

    Incredible really in 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KloppOfTheWorld View Post
    Are you really that sensitive, dare I say it ignorant?

    Do you know how many White artists have won a MOBO and the many more nominated?

    Some people really do live in a glass bubble.

    Incredible really in 2017.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KloppOfTheWorld View Post
    Are you really that sensitive, dare I say it ignorant?

    Do you know how many White artists have won a MOBO and the many more nominated?

    Some people really do live in a glass bubble.

    Incredible really in 2017.
    Of course I know how many white artists have won MOBO awards, that's not the issue, the issue is name itself 'Music Of Black Origin' why have the name of an awards night (which includes white artists) which differentiates music genres due to skin colour? If it was a Hip Hop awards night, or Country Music awards night then fine! but dont bring skin colour into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batteries View Post
    This.
    I'm of mixed race and I'm not fine being categorised due to my skin colour. I'm sure plenty of white people wouldn't be fine if it happened to them either. In 2017 this s not OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BearWithMe View Post
    This is the problem I have with this world today. I have had so many disagreements with friends and family members over black people differentiating themselves from the rest of society. I had first hand racist abuse growing up in a tough part of Liverpool but I found at a very young age if I ignored skin colour and stopped 'hanging round with my own people' racisim would stop, and guess what, it did. Ugo Ehiogu shouldn't be remembered as a black football, he should be remembered as a footballer. I have seen it all my life, the black community taking themselves out of society and keeping themselves to themselves, shopping in certain places, socialising in certain places, eating in certain place all together, why? It needs to stop or racism will never stop. The Football Black list, or Football White list, whitewater. Both very wrong as cause more harm than good.

    People go on about the lack of black managers in the English Premier league, but what about the lack of English managers, and English Players? That's an issue. For every failed black manager their is a failed white manager. This is all nonsense and need to stop. RIP Ugo Ehiogu.
    Every other race does this, so is it only a problem when Black people do it? You are way off here BWM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L8LadinDubai View Post
    In the context of topics like history, Solange is spot on, given the dominance of Caucasian history taught in schools compared to black-oriented history.

    But for football awards, is there a feeling of bias towards white players due to their race when awards are given out? (I know there is much discussion related to managers and indeed fans within our sport but that's two other separate topics).

    If not, then making a race-specific set of footy awards causes two issues for me:
    1) Demeans black players as if they have to have a set of awards just for them
    2) Causes unnecessary division when between players, none (or at least not much) exists

    I'm sure the likes of Weah and Henry wouldn't want to be considered for an award where the colour of their skin was a factor - they did pretty fine without such criteria!
    You have no way of knowing this and it is dangerous to presume as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukadamainman View Post
    Where's the awards for people from North American backgrounds then? Eastern European? Asian?
    Asian football awards are on the 14th

    (with our own Yan Dhanda nominated for young player of the year)
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    To be honest, Moderators are not doing their job here.

    This thread should be either closed or moved to off-topic. There's no Liverpool/Football discussion being held in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukadamainman View Post
    Where's the awards for people from North American backgrounds then? Eastern European? Asian?
    14 November mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batteries View Post
    To be honest, Moderators are not doing their job here.

    This thread should be either closed or moved to off-topic. There's no Liverpool/Football discussion being held in here.
    I agree.
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