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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    It'd be a reasonable way to actually get rid of some of the annoying little *******.
    It'd be quite nice if they set themselves on fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    It'd be quite nice if they set themselves on fire
    All that fur…
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiddlerDave View Post
    All that fur…
    Can cut to a Sith who looks a bit like that Harry ****** bad guy, Voldewhatshisname (I have no idea) saying 'God I love the smell of burning Ewok's in the morning'
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Can cut to a Sith who looks a bit like that Harry ****** bad guy, Voldewhatshisname (I have no idea) saying 'God I love the smell of burning Ewok's in the morning'
    Cue: Crazy World of Arthur Brown 'Fire.'
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    Its funny that some are complaining about certain things like Kylo being whiney (like we've not seen whiney super needy characters before?) and the training montage being too long (like Lukes wasn't?) and the main bad guy being taken down too easily (like the Emperor wasn't?).

    Personally, I think time and being invested in the series has unrealistically raised the expectations of the fan base. Nothing will make 1-3 any good (I know, I've tried a number of times) but after watching VII a fair few times (my kid is obsessed) I've found its really grown on me and I can well see this being the case with this film.

    That goes for Rogue One as well, where I've found an appreciation for the film after not liking it much at all on the first watch.

    Like the rest of the films, I'll be picking this up on DVD and end up watching it dozens of times and more with the kids and I feel the bad points will soften with viewing to reveal another cracking instalment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Its funny that some are complaining about certain things like Kylo being whiney (like we've not seen whiney super needy characters before?) and the training montage being too long (like Lukes wasn't?) and the main bad guy being taken down too easily (like the Emperor wasn't?).

    Personally, I think time and being invested in the series has unrealistically raised the expectations of the fan base. Nothing will make 1-3 any good (I know, I've tried a number of times) but after watching VII a fair few times (my kid is obsessed) I've found its really grown on me and I can well see this being the case with this film.

    That goes for Rogue One as well, where I've found an appreciation for the film after not liking it much at all on the first watch.

    Like the rest of the films, I'll be picking this up on DVD and end up watching it dozens of times and more with the kids and I feel the bad points will soften with viewing to reveal another cracking instalment.
    It might age well with time, but if you look at a **** long enough you can also believe it to be art in the end!

    I agree in principle though, a lot of the Star Wars films are full of holes in plot etc but as kids you don't care and love the characters

    But, this time around there are no real characters to my taste that I can get behind, Kylo is as whiney as Anakin in those awful prequels you mention and does not inspire even a second of fear. I quite liked Rey though but my problem with the film, I use the term problem lightly, is it just wasn't very good. The Fin story was entirely pointless and added nothing to the story and I just felt the whole film needed another edit to chop out the chaff.

    For me it just underlined that the whole saga specifically involving Luke, Leia, Darth and the force etc would have been better left to legend and imagination. The films have added very little to that and even taken off some of the gloss. It had some nice moments in this one but just as someone who likes rather than loves Star Wars, I thought it was ok but with some needless rubbish in it serving as time fillers.

    Leave the legends alone, do more things like Rogue One which was outstanding I thought

    But its all about taste and plenty enjoyed it too so its good to see such contrasting views in a way. Like you some take it very seriously, expectations are way way up there so these films can never live up to that, but this one for me was just not particularly good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Its funny that some are complaining about certain things like Kylo being whiney (like we've not seen whiney super needy characters before?) and the training montage being too long (like Lukes wasn't?) and the main bad guy being taken down too easily (like the Emperor wasn't?).

    Personally, I think time and being invested in the series has unrealistically raised the expectations of the fan base. Nothing will make 1-3 any good (I know, I've tried a number of times) but after watching VII a fair few times (my kid is obsessed) I've found its really grown on me and I can well see this being the case with this film.

    That goes for Rogue One as well, where I've found an appreciation for the film after not liking it much at all on the first watch.

    Like the rest of the films, I'll be picking this up on DVD and end up watching it dozens of times and more with the kids and I feel the bad points will soften with viewing to reveal another cracking instalment.
    The emperor died right at the end, not unexpectedly half way through the 2nd film. Vader killed the emperor and he is much more powerful than Ren. Ren is like a teenage boy.
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    I thought it was a very good film. Sure, it isn’t perfect, but it has far more positives than negatives going for it.

    The film focuses on character development rather than plot, which is somewhat stretched as a result. Essentially this is a chase movie that takes place over a short period of time. I’m not entirely convinced it follows on from the events of The Force Awakens perfectly, which is a mis-step considering it starts where TFA ends. Ultimately this betrays the fact that the last two films were written by different people, and that perhaps the overall story of this trilogy has not actually been decided.

    Saying all that, with what little plot Rian Johnson afforded himself, he squeezes out a lot of excitement. I managed to go in to the move completely spoiler free, with no expectation and presumption of what might happen, and found it to be thoroughly exciting.

    In terms of character development, I didn’t necessarily agree with the way all the characters were treated, but for the most part characters were developed in interesting ways. Star Wars was always at its best in my view when it wasn’t just good versus evil, and monochrome characters; Darth Vader became a more compelling villain once we knew his true identity, and even more that he had good in him; Luke was a more compelling hero for being flawed and impetuous, and even more so still when when we were shown he had the anger in him that might lead him to the dark side. The shades of grey are what make elevate the franchise, and here in particular all of the characters are fleshed out so that they are more than merely superheroes and supervillains.

    If I had another criticism, it would be that the film seemed to be too self-consciously ‘inclusive’; I’d sooner the movie focused on character and plot rather than show me how my particular sex/race/orientation/size/shape has been ‘represented’.

    Those criticism aside though, the cinematography is incredible (seeing the on the 4DX screen is a thoroughly immersive experience), there are some great moments of originality, and John Williams score is back on form, given that I thought it was uncharateristically weak for TFA.

    Having read a lot of the negative commentary about the film, I find it difficult to understand the ‘fanboy’ perspective. Perhaps years of having trite theories pandered to and held up as equal to genuinely original work have spoiled them. For many, there won’t be the hackneyed ‘popcorn’ moment that all want to clap and cheer at. Instead. This film has dared to be different, and, whilst answering many of the questions from TFA, has left many more unanswered, in much the same way TESB did.

    My only hope is that, for all the new character that have been introduced, Episode 9 chiefly functions to round off the Skywalker saga in a satisfactory way, because that is what the Star Wars films have essentially all been about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S_7 View Post
    The emperor died right at the end, not unexpectedly half way through the 2nd film. Vader killed the emperor and he is much more powerful than Ren. Ren is like a teenage boy.
    He picked him up and threw him in a pit, its was hardly a climactic battle. Anyone with a lightning conductor could've sorted him out! And talking about endings what about ESB? Talk about anti-climactic. With Jedi in hand its makes much more sense though and you forgive it. At the time I felt cheated of a proper ending.

    Seriously though, in context (with IX in hand) this will all come together.....I hope.
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    Its just taste though, people can't have a go if others don't like it and then get a little haughty about it

    I went in with no idea what to expect and found while there were some enjoyable moments, it was really quite dull, though it looked fantastic at points. I really liked the warping through the special destroyer bit. Class

    I nearly had a nap at one point though and thought the whole Finn thing was ****, I mean really ****. Has to pop to a casino planet to get a safe breaker where arms deals are done and

    Maybe I'll watch it again with no alcohol involved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    He picked him up and threw him in a pit, its was hardly a climactic battle. Anyone with a lightning conductor could've sorted him out! And talking about endings what about ESB? Talk about anti-climactic. With Jedi in hand its makes much more sense though and you forgive it. At the time I felt cheated of a proper ending.

    Seriously though, in context (with IX in hand) this will all come together.....I hope.
    ESB finished with a battle and you wondering what would happen to Han after he had been frozen. What am I wondering about in this next film? How Rey and Ren are going to have another fight, yawn. I know it wasn’t a climactic battle but the battle was Vader and Luke, and at the last second the prophecy is fulfilled with Anakin killing the emperor. The emperor wasn’t saying “I know that Vader will kill you” to Luke and then Vader basically winks and kills him. It was all about emotion and father and son. This Death was too soon and shouldn’t have happened, now we have a full film with Kylo Ren as the main enemy who can easily be bested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S_7 View Post
    ESB finished with a battle and you wondering what would happen to Han after he had been frozen. What am I wondering about in this next film? How Rey and Ren are going to have another fight, yawn. I know it wasn’t a climactic battle but the battle was Vader and Luke, and at the last second the prophecy is fulfilled with Anakin killing the emperor. The emperor wasn’t saying “I know that Vader will kill you” to Luke and then Vader basically winks and kills him. It was all about emotion and father and son. This Death was too soon and shouldn’t have happened, now we have a full film with Kylo Ren as the main enemy who can easily be bested.
    That first bit from me was tongue firmly in cheek.

    I know people generally put ESB as the pinnacle of the series but I was serious about what I said, I did feel cheated. It doesn't make the series any worse and sets up the finale of the trilogy quite well but that's with the benefit of the third film. It could well be that number IX does to this film what ROTJ did for the ESB. We just don't know yet.

    I honestly think some on here are over-reacting, be that be from the fan perspective and their own expectations or rebounding from the largely positive reviews pre-ceding public release. For me it doesn't hit the peaks of the series, lets face it they are pretty big boots to fill, but I feel it can be a grower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Its just taste though, people can't have a go if others don't like it and then get a little haughty about it

    I went in with no idea what to expect and found while there were some enjoyable moments, it was really quite dull, though it looked fantastic at points. I really liked the warping through the special destroyer bit. Class

    I nearly had a nap at one point though and thought the whole Finn thing was ****, I mean really ****. Has to pop to a casino planet to get a safe breaker where arms deals are done and

    Maybe I'll watch it again with no alcohol involved
    , ahhh, I see the problem here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    That first bit from me was tongue firmly in cheek.

    I know people generally put ESB as the pinnacle of the series but I was serious about what I said, I did feel cheated. It doesn't make the series any worse and sets up the finale of the trilogy quite well but that's with the benefit of the third film. It could well be that number IX does to this film what ROTJ did for the ESB. We just don't know yet.

    I honestly think some on here are over-reacting, be that be from the fan perspective and their own expectations or rebounding from the largely positive reviews pre-ceding public release. For me it doesn't hit the peaks of the series, lets face it they are pretty big boots to fill, but I feel it can be a grower.
    I get what you mean, the next one making this one better. The only way for me is that if Snoke isn’t dead. Can’t belive they built him up like they did and did that. The close up was like something off guardians of the galaxy it was the least Star Wars thing I have ever seen in a Star Wars film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    , ahhh, I see the problem here.
    I wasn't drunk however I must stress!

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    I didn't think it was a bad 'film' at all. And it isn't. It's very good. I think the issues are with the plot and continuity of it all. As a stand alone film its great, as the 2nd film in a 3 film saga it leaves a lot to be desired personally because it just takes a completely different turn from what the TFA left us with and that isn't due to great storywriting or twists and turns along the way, its simply to do with not having the creator of the franchise around anymore and not having the same director directing the whole trilogy.

    The ultimate problem for me is I know they are making this up as they go along and that's hard to get onboard with as a massive Star Wars fan. I believe whilst TFA was safe, I still loved it and it was a perfect set up for the next two films but you can tell/feel watching The Last Jedi that it's another guy directing it to 'his' vision/story. Then we'll be back the same thing again as JJ Abrams is doing IX. So he has to pick the pieces up from where Johnson left it.

    From watching TFA a lot of times, I think JJ had different arcs planned for Snoke, Ben and Luke than what Johnson did. Johnson completely tore that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan-D View Post
    I didn't think it was a bad 'film' at all. And it isn't. It's very good. I think the issues are with the plot and continuity of it all. As a stand alone film its great, as the 2nd film in a 3 film saga it leaves a lot to be desired personally because it just takes a completely different turn from what the TFA left us with and that isn't due to great storywriting or twists and turns along the way, its simply to do with not having the creator of the franchise around anymore and not having the same director directing the whole trilogy.

    The ultimate problem for me is I know they are making this up as they go along and that's hard to get onboard with as a massive Star Wars fan. I believe whilst TFA was safe, I still loved it and it was a perfect set up for the next two films but you can tell/feel watching The Last Jedi that it's another guy directing it to 'his' vision/story. Then we'll be back the same thing again as JJ Abrams is doing IX. So he has to pick the pieces up from where Johnson left it.

    From watching TFA a lot of times, I think JJ had different arcs planned for Snoke, Ben and Luke than what Johnson did. Johnson completely tore that up.
    Entirely agree. It’s exactly the impression I was left with. It’s like that game where a group of people have to tell a story, but each person can not say one word at a time.

    I’ve read that even Lucas made some things up on the hoof as he was constantly honing and trying to improve his creation; but the basics of the story had already been mapped out, and I think it’s evident here that that hasn’t been done.
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    I give it a "B".
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    Snoke is still alive. He was using a force projection (just like Luke).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyanstar View Post
    Snoke is still alive. He was using a force projection (just like Luke).
    Not.....the force projection!?

    That old trick...they just made up for this film for some reason

    All those years of the force and it turns out the Jedi's or Sith's never needed to be physically there for any fights, they could have just projected themselves.....but still they went just for the love of sabre to sabre fighting
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Not.....the force projection!?

    That old trick...they just made up for this film for some reason

    All those years of the force and it turns out the Jedi's or Sith's never needed to be physically there for any fights, they could have just projected themselves.....but still they went just for the love of sabre to sabre fighting
    Apparently its part of the culled "legends" material. I've not read the books myself but its obvious that the creative guys are delving deep into that resource for inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloader View Post
    Apparently its part of the culled "legends" material. I've not read the books myself but its obvious that the creative guys are delving deep into that resource for inspiration.
    No not read them either, think its a bit of a reach to bring that in now suddenly after 40 years

    Having said that, its like the Sith film (forget the title) when Obi shouts 'Higher ground Anakin!' before hacking him in half..

    Sorry, higher ground? What old unspoken Jedi rule is this now?



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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyanstar View Post
    Snoke is still alive. He was using a force projection (just like Luke).
    If the reveal is that he is Plagueis, he might have more tricks up his sleeve (assuming Palpatine was partially telling the truth and partially lying).
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    lol

    I thought it was good.
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    reading what people said about in comics, watching a little bit of the animated TV shows, I am now reading Star Wars books

    More convinced that after the original films there's a whole universe of great stories what they could have made into films

    Remember the red guards in the original film protecting the emperor guess what they're not the same red guards what Yoda kills

    Yep the original Empire guards had immunity to the force hence why they can fight jedis without being ripped apart

    the new red guards after emperor was killed where not the same soldiers as majority of their selves killed themselves and they're not as trained like the original guards

    that we've been in my opinion a great story

    The journey to be emperors personal guards to the new guard
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    No not read them either, think its a bit of a reach to bring that in now suddenly after 40 years

    Having said that, its like the Sith film (forget the title) when Obi shouts 'Higher ground Anakin!' before hacking him in half..

    Sorry, higher ground? What old unspoken Jedi rule is this now?



    'Never on a Tuesday Rey!'

    Think that is for the new third instalment next year
    Holding the higher ground had been recognised as a martial advantage for millennia
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    Holding the higher ground had been recognised as a martial advantage for millennia
    Ahhhhh, so I mixed up martial arts with fictional Jedi's who used a lot of martial arts guidance from earthlings historically speaking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Ahhhhh, so I mixed up martial arts with fictional Jedi's who used a lot of martial arts guidance from earthlings historically speaking?
    No. It's extremely common knowledge and the application of a little common sense would lead to the conclusion it is of advantage.

    There's no reason why humanoids with similar fighting styles and who are largely subject to the same physical laws (the exception being manipulation of the force) wouldn't have reached the same conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dookar View Post
    No. It's extremely common knowledge and the application of a little common sense would lead to the conclusion it is of advantage.

    There's no reason why humanoids with similar fighting styles and who are largely subject to the same physical laws (the exception being manipulation of the force) wouldn't have reached the same conclusion.
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