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Thread: John Giles: Liverpool's Philippe Coutinho cash-in is proof they’re no longer a big club

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    Quote Originally Posted by aGothAndaJock View Post
    The fact that we've won more European Cups than every club bar Milan and Real Madrid makes us a massive club.

    The fact we sold Coutinho for the 2nd highest transfer fee ever makes us a massive club.

    The fact we've signed the most expensive defender ever makes us a *********** massive club.


    Like Inter and Milan, we've had some terrible seasons but come on, we will always be a big club. We haven't won a league title for 28 years and are still only 2 behind Utd - the undisputed biggest club in the world . We're massive and it's down to our history.
    Yeah but we have not won nothing recently so we are not big, a few years without a trophy wipes out the other 100 plus years. Its that simple

    I can remember growing up in the 80's and Man Utd being largely **** bar the odd FA Cup, but they were still a big club and I always wanted us to beat them

    But junky articles and headlines which the likes of Giles specialises in, circumnavigate any real thought
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    Sound, we're no longer a big club and will win nothing as we are the only ones ever in history who sell players.

    Zero pressure applied then to the club and we can go quietly about our business with every other proper big club expected to always win everything.

    Just the way i like it, Giles is spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Yeah but we have not won nothing recently so we are not big, a few years without a trophy wipes out the other 100 plus years. Its that simple

    I can remember growing up in the 80's and Man Utd being largely **** bar the odd FA Cup, but they were still a big club and I always wanted us to beat them

    But junky articles and headlines which the likes of Giles specialises in, circumnavigate any real thought
    you're either a big club or you aren't its a simple as that, city are rich and powerful bu tnot a big club yet, leicester winning the league does not make them a big club , they are just a small club who won the league.

    it's just an obsession of the media as it gets people talking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza74 View Post
    Sound, we're no longer a big club and will win nothing as we are the only ones ever in history who sell players.

    Zero pressure applied then to the club and we can go quietly about our business with every other proper big club expected to always win everything.

    Just the way i like it, Giles is spot on.
    Its a fascinating logic he employs

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    you're either a big club or you aren't its a simple as that, city are rich and powerful bu tnot a big club yet, leicester winning the league does not make them a big club , they are just a small club who won the league.it's just an obsession of the media as it gets people talking
    It does, its fascinating how different people view what makes a big club too, agree with your take on it.

    If Barca or Madrid have a dry couple of seasons (Madrid may just be about to embark on that) then they don't suddenly become a small club.

    Similarly the likes of Milan, who are struggling horribly and have been for sometime, are still to my mind a massive club and name in football which will always attract managers and players
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Its a fascinating logic he employs



    It does, its fascinating how different people view what makes a big club too, agree with your take on it.

    If Barca or Madrid have a dry couple of seasons (Madrid may just be about to embark on that) then they don't suddenly become a small club.

    Similarly the likes of Milan, who are struggling horribly and have been for sometime, are still to my mind a massive club and name in football which will always attract managers and players
    That's how I see it too.

    Chelsea have done well mind. 5 titles, 4 FA cups, 3 League Cups, 1 CL and 1 Europa making them the first British team to win the 3 main UEFA competitions is impressive and worthy of praise.

    For 15 years now they have stepped it up yet still have only a third of Liverpool's league titles. Mad. It's great for us and we are biased but it truly shows how *********** massive we are. WE ARE A HUGE CLUB.

    Also, I think what defines a big club is that even when they're not at their most powerful they have the pedigree and belief among the club and its fans that they can do something big. Istanbul, the treble and the 13/14 season sticks in my mind as Liverpool showing how powerful they can be when the odds are agains them. Even, the run to the Europa Final in '16 was impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    It does, its fascinating how different people view what makes a big club too, agree with your take on it.

    If Barca or Madrid have a dry couple of seasons (Madrid may just be about to embark on that) then they don't suddenly become a small club.

    Similarly the likes of Milan, who are struggling horribly and have been for sometime, are still to my mind a massive club and name in football which will always attract managers and players
    Look at Juventus, did they suddenly stop being seen as a European giant, a true big club over a very long time, just because they got relegated for their wrongdoings.

    It's just daft, we've sold a player who no longer wanted to play for this club, that's it, if we aren't a big club now then we never were one, one sale doesn't determine anything.

    What if we went out and smashed the world by getting Griezman out of nowhere, does that then counter that sale and flick the big club switch back on? Again, course not.

    You're either a big club in the world of football or you aren't, you don't change it year by year or on one thing that happens, the only factors are about a successful big club currently or a struggling one, we've kind of been up and down between the 2 and averaging in the middle for 28 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza74 View Post
    Look at Juventus, did they suddenly stop being seen as a European giant, a true big club over a very long time, just because they got relegated for their wrongdoings.

    It's just daft, we've sold a player who no longer wanted to play for this club, that's it, if we aren't a big club now then we never were one, one sale doesn't determine anything.

    What if we went out and smashed the world by getting Griezman out of nowhere, does that then counter that sale and flick the big club switch back on? Again, course not.


    You're either a big club in the world of football or you aren't, you don't change it year by year or on one thing that happens, the only factors are about a successful big club currently or a struggling one, we've kind of been up and down between the 2 and averaging in the middle for 28 years.
    Great point. Another thing to consider is that we haven't won the title for 28 years yet are still comfortably one of the richest and best supported teams in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aGothAndaJock View Post
    That's how I see it too.

    Chelsea have done well mind. 5 titles, 4 FA cups, 3 League Cups, 1 CL and 1 Europa making them the first British team to win the 3 main UEFA competitions is impressive and worthy of praise.

    For 15 years now they have stepped it up yet still have only a third of Liverpool's league titles. Mad. I love football.

    Also, I think what defines a big club is that even when they're not at their most powerful they have the pedigree and belief among the club and its fans that they can do something big. Istanbul, the treble and the 13/14 season sticks in my mind as Liverpool showing how powerful they can be when the odds are agains them. Even, the run to the Europa Final in '16 was impressive.
    Aye Chelsea have climbed into that group after their concerted work for nearly 20 years, even before Roman Abramovich came in they were a developing force attracting the likes of Zola etc.

    Really good point in bold too, its like a juggernaut effect, a big club like that can suddenly start to roll again and achieve big things. Part of I'm sure what attracted Klopp to coming here and players like our latest signing in VVD
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    We were a big club, never a massive club though, and now we're wallowing just below "big club" status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza74 View Post
    Look at Juventus, did they suddenly stop being seen as a European giant, a true big club over a very long time, just because they got relegated for their wrongdoings.

    It's just daft, we've sold a player who no longer wanted to play for this club, that's it, if we aren't a big club now then we never were one, one sale doesn't determine anything.

    What if we went out and smashed the world by getting Griezman out of nowhere, does that then counter that sale and flick the big club switch back on? Again, course not.

    You're either a big club in the world of football or you aren't, you don't change it year by year or on one thing that happens, the only factors are about a successful big club currently or a struggling one, we've kind of been up and down between the 2 and averaging in the middle for 28 years.
    Perfectly summed up Gazza, pulled out every hole in that argument or logic Giles has tried to apply really
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Aye Chelsea have climbed into that group after their concerted work for nearly 20 years, even before Roman Abramovich came in they were a developing force attracting the likes of Zola etc.

    Really good point in bold too, its like a juggernaut effect, a big club like that can suddenly start to roll again and achieve big things. Part of I'm sure what attracted Klopp to coming here and players like our latest signing in VVD
    You know what, it might be slightly longer than that! They won the FA Cup in 1997, Cup Winners Cup in 1998? They were only 4 points off the title in 1999 too! Handed our arse to us a few times in that period as well - before the Abramovic cash. Spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    you're either a big club or you aren't its a simple as that, city are rich and powerful bu tnot a big club yet, leicester winning the league does not make them a big club , they are just a small club who won the league.

    it's just an obsession of the media as it gets people talking
    Spot on DannyMc9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganymede View Post
    We were a big club, never a massive club though, and now we're wallowing just below "big club" status.
    Oh Gany, what are we to do with you.

    What are we to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by aGothAndaJock View Post
    You know what, it might be slightly longer than that! They won the FA Cup in 1997, Cup Winners Cup in 1998? They were only 4 points off the title in 1999 too! Handed our arse to us a few times in that period as well - before the Abramovic cash. Spot on.
    yeh, everyone only sees the roman cash and forgets/ignores what they had already started to put together when mathew holding took over as owner, and due to that were already on the cusp of continual top four status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aGothAndaJock View Post
    You know what, it might be slightly longer than that! They won the FA Cup in 1997, Cup Winners Cup in 1998? They were only 4 points off the title in 1999 too! Handed our arse to us a few times in that period as well - before the Abramovic cash. Spot on.
    Gawd yeah, makes me feel a little older!

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    Oh Gany, what are we to do with you.

    What are we to do
    Pat him on the back and say 'yes, that entirely vague baseless but controversial point is fascinating.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by welshypool View Post
    Gawd yeah, makes me feel a little older!



    Pat him on the back and say 'yes, that entirely vague baseless but controversial point is fascinating.'
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    The biggest load of **** I have ever read.
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