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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe-El View Post
    John Terry had more pace than Carragher. Carragher jogged faster than Hyypia ran. In fact the only time Hyypia actually sprinted was during one of his many goal celebrations.

    Hyypia was a briliant defender, a bit more pace and... broken record time. If a Beetle could do 0-60 in 4 seconds, it’d be a Porsche
    Terry was no quicker than Sami, and in no way was Sami slow, i think you watched a different player to me. He didn't have lightning pace but enough to be fine as a player.

    And again, one thing doesn't determine being a world class player or not, it's overall game, all those other prem defenders you named as greats had their faults, it doesn't then mean they suddenly weren't world class as it was their overall game that made them so.

    Big Sami wasn't slow, but he wasn't lightening quick either, but every other facet of his game was world class, so he was a prem great fully. King Kenny wasn't quick as a number 10/striker, but he was still world class and a great of the game, he just wasn't as quick as Rushie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza74 View Post
    Terry was no quicker than Sami, and in no way was Sami slow, i think you watched a different player to me. He didn't have lightning pace but enough to be fine as a player.

    And again, one thing doesn't determine being a world class player or not, it's overall game, all those other prem defenders you named as greats had their faults, it doesn't then mean they suddenly weren't world class as it was their overall game that made them so.

    Big Sami wasn't slow, but he wasn't lightening quick either, but every other facet of his game was world class, so he was a prem great fully. King Kenny wasn't quick as a number 10/striker, but he was still world class and a great of the game, he just wasn't as quick as Rushie.
    I hope u don’t xxxx your knickers when I suggest that King Kenny couldn’t survive in the EPL with the pace of the game today.

    The game is faster. Fact. Jan Molby, Ronny Rosenthal even keepers like Neville Southall would be keeling over after 15 minutes at the speed the game is played now.

    Hyypia was caught up in changing times. He’d have been a Balon D’or contender if the game was still played at 80s pace.

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    I thought in every game thus far he has bern excellent and very unlucky. Kane, bar the pens didnt have a sniff over 90mins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe-El View Post
    I hope u don’t xxxx your knickers when I suggest that King Kenny couldn’t survive in the EPL with the pace of the game today.

    The game is faster. Fact. Jan Molby, Ronny Rosenthal even keepers like Neville Southall would be keeling over after 15 minutes at the speed the game is played now.

    Hyypia was caught up in changing times. He’d have been a Balon D’or contender if the game was still played at 80s pace.

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    Firstly, there are loads of players with the same, "Pace", as King Kenny in football today, our own Bobby Firmino is not that quick at all as one example.

    It is a stupid assertion yes that Kenny wouldn't survive now, he'd clearly be training in modern conditions and be as fit as every other player, put this together with his world class talent and he'd be a £200m player now, nevermind not survive.

    Again, those players wouldn't be keeling over as they would be training in modern conditions and be brought through in how things are now and not how they were in the 80s, so the pace would be no issue for them.

    Sami played in the modern day pace of the game, he didn't play in the 80s, the prem was fast and furious between 1999 and 2009 when he played here and he did perfectly fine, never struggled at all and was one of the best centre backs in the prem for decade, a true great.

    I don't know you get this idea that you only survive in our league if you are quick, plenty of world class players been stars in this country and didn't have great pace, they were great in their position regardless, never suffered with the pace of game at all, big Sami was one of them and King Kenny would be superb in our football now.
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    Kenny, Carra, Reina and Sami's Liverpool careers all belittled in one day.

    This forum is an embarrassment sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    Kenny, Carra, Reina and Sami's Liverpool careers all belittled in one day.

    This forum is an embarrassment sometimes.
    true
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    David Silva isn quick, is he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    No they both were.

    Carra was the cornerstone behind two runs to a CL final.
    Lol funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    Kenny, Carra, Reina and Sami's Liverpool careers all belittled in one day.

    This forum is an embarrassment sometimes.
    Why would anyone belittle Kenny and Sami's careers? Carra's career is overrated because he is from liverpool and Reina had a few good seasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    Lol funny
    Ah ok I imagine those MOTM displays he gave against Juventus and Chelsea then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    Ah ok I imagine those MOTM displays he gave against Juventus and Chelsea then.
    Great imagination
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    Great imagination
    Listen you're bitter against Carra for whatever reason. I don't care.

    The real supporters of the club - and you're not one of them- appreciate him and thats all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    Why would anyone belittle Kenny and Sami's careers? Carra's career is overrated because he is from liverpool and Reina had a few good seasons
    from a purely defensive point of view carra was not overrated but underrated because he wasn't a ball playing centre half or had a fancy foreign name
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    Listen you're bitter against Carra for whatever reason. I don't care.

    The real supporters of the club - and you're not one of them- appreciate him and thats all that matters.
    Well said

    Madness in here from some people. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauer-LFC View Post
    Listen you're bitter against Carra for whatever reason. I don't care.

    The real supporters of the club - and you're not one of them- appreciate him and thats all that matters.
    So much irony
    I appreciate the his career and always giving his best but I will never agree he was top class
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    from a purely defensive point of view carra was not overrated but underrated because he wasn't a ball playing centre half or had a fancy foreign name
    What were his best attributes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    from a purely defensive point of view carra was not overrated but underrated because he wasn't a ball playing centre half or had a fancy foreign name
    Didn’t Rafa once say Carra was as good as Roberto Ayala?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    What were his best attributes?
    read the game very well, was very good at covering mistakes made by full backs, physically was always up for a battle , he was also very mentally strong, and his tackling in general was spot on.

    sometimes was too keen to hoof the ball but defensively better than most in The PL in his era bar terry/ferdinand/vidic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    Didn’t Rafa once say Carra was as good as Roberto Ayala?
    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...-ayala-3539126

    He certainly did and TBF to Rafa he saw something in Carra that Houllier never did and literally turned him into one of Europes best CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    read the game very well, was very good at covering mistakes made by full backs, physically was always up for a battle , he was also very mentally strong, and his tackling in general was spot on.

    sometimes was too keen to hoof the ball but defensively better than most in The PL in his era bar terry/ferdinand/vidic
    I think your first and second point go together mate

    He was also prone to making mistakes, was ok at heading the ball I guess,was slow and was average at one on one duels, the team had to sit deep to protect him from being exposed.For me that doesn't scream top class
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    I think your first and second point go together mate

    He was also prone to making mistakes, was ok at heading the ball I guess,was slow and was average at one on one duels, the team had to sit deep to protect him from being exposed.For me that doesn't scream top class
    never said top class . in my opinion the bracket below but he never got the credit he deserved in my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    never said top class . in my opinion the bracket below but he never got the credit he deserved in my opinion
    He was top class. I’d put him in the same bracket as John Terry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyMc9 View Post
    never said top class . in my opinion the bracket below but he never got the credit he deserved in my opinion
    I will agree with the bracket below ,I think he gets more credit than he deserves especially after he retirement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    He was top class. I’d put him in the same bracket as John Terry.
    John Terry was a better defender than Carra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    John Terry was a better defender than Carra
    He really wasn’t. If Terry was better it would only be minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    He really wasn’t. If Terry was better it would only be minimal.
    i would say terry was better not by much but he was better , carra was great for us i just think he was slightly behind terry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenpressing View Post
    He really wasn’t. If Terry was better it would only be minimal.
    Terry goes into the one of the greats category Carra somewhere below
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    Still don't get the pace thing meaning you cant be World Class if you're a bit slow. edit, forget that bit.

    Pretty sure there were a few quick players around when Sami played, Michael Owen for one who was fast as some of the quicker players now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaxx2 View Post
    Terry goes into the one of the greats category Carra somewhere below
    Not for me.
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    Terry was a better CB than Carra.
    Much less of a person but definitely a better player.
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