Winning a League Cup puts it down on paper that a side has won a trophy whereas competing regularly in the Champions League doesn't.
I know which one i prefer.
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Winning a League Cup puts it down on paper that a side has won a trophy whereas competing regularly in the Champions League doesn't.
I know which one i prefer.
I am sure that £230m is only £20m off a quarter of a billion pounds.Originally Posted by -Danny-
Now as well as the players mentioned in the newspaper article he also bought:
Ajdarevic, Antwi, Bouzanis, Brouwer, Bruna, Duran, Gulacsi, Hobbs, Idrizaj, Martin, Mihayiov, Pacheco, Simon, Dalla Valle, Flora, Huth, Kacaiklic, Mendy, Palsson, Saric, Weijl, Emilsson, Kottlert, Mavinga, Mihaylov, Sama, Wiijl to name but a few. Plus Shelvey, Wilson & Jovanavic. All these players would have cost money; signing on fee's, wages, add on's etc. They still drained the clubs resources.
When the poster suggested that Rafa had signed 85 players he wasn't far away.
Agger & Zenden made zero appearance so didn't in fact win the FA cup under Benitez.
8 players out of the FA cup squad were Houllier's, 6 were Rafa's buys & 2 came through the Centre of Excellence/Academy. So again unfortunately you are wrong.
Which one?
Because if the choice is historical success of the club, winning trophies and competing in Europa League Football.
Or picking the choice of financial success of the club, getting a Champions League spot for Champions League Football.
Which one would you pick? What's better for the club?
Champions League
Okay, so I was wrong they didn't win trophies in 2006 and you were wrong that they weren't here.
Doesn't change the fact that Benitez's tactics won us trophies and made us a European powerhouse.
I believe Benitez can return here, pick up from where he left off and bring us success, you don't.
Totally agree
Rafa did this:
A Champions League Victory, giving us 5 over all which meant that the club was awarded the trophy permanently.
Made us the No1 Ranked team in Europe.
Got 86 points and came second in the premier league, only losing twice in a whole season. A liverpool premiership record
An FA cup victory.
All these things are FACT
We and anyone reading this thread,will not be fooled into thinking anything different by these xenophobic Rafa Haters.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. COME HOME RAFA
Last edited by Friddles; 7-5-12 at 17:05.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. COME HOME RAFA
Kenny back to his ambassador role and overseeing the youth setup.
Rafa did this:
A Champions League Victory, giving us 5 over all which meant that the club was awarded the trophy permanently.
Made us the No1 Ranked team in Europe.
Got 86 points and came second in the premier league, only losing twice in a whole season. A liverpool premiership record
An FA cup victory.
All these things are FACT
We and anyone reading this thread,will not be fooled into thinking anything different by these xenophobic Rafa Haters.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. COME HOME RAFA
When did I mention that Agger & Zenden weren't here? I said they hadn't won trophies under Benitez. You got both your so called facts wrong.
See this is the problem with this thread the so called Rafa fanatics don't actually know much about him & unfortunately have created a myth about the man. The amount of things which they actually believe is quite scary.
Bacon Face would ****** the bed if Rafa came back.
Kenny back to his ambassador role and overseeing the youth setup.
RAFA WILL RETURN!!!!!
They were apart of the Liverpool squad, Liverpool won the FA Cup, they won the FA Cup.
Did you say Liverpool won the FA Cup or we won the FA Cup? They have more of a right to say 'we won it' than you do.
ThisBacon Face would ****** the bed if Rafa came back.
RAFA WILL RETURN!!!!!
Rafa seemed to come off worse the last time he confronted old ball sack nose.Bacon Face would ****** the bed if Rafa came back.
RAFA WILL RETURN!!!!!
Seriously Rafa fans, he's not coming back, FSG wouldn't touch him with a barge pole, he is too devisive and political for them.
I think the words straws & clutching spring to mind with your post.
Agger & Zenden never made any appearances in the 2006 FA cup rounds or final. Nor did they win a medal. So neither Agger or Zenden won a trophy under Rafa Benitez.
Did the tea lady & the cleaner get a FA cup winners medal in 2006 because they were part of the squad? Do the Liverpool Under 10's side claim to have won a trophy under Rafa because they were at the club at the time?
Just admit you were wrong.
Please read my first post to you on this page, I admitted I was wrong and that they didn't win a FA Cup medal in 2006.
Regardless about me being wrong you're sidestepping the point of this thread to show appreciation to a great Liverpool manager.
Instead you're currently on here trying to argue about two players Benitez bought didn't win trophies like everyone else in their first season.
You've come onto this thread to say he wasn't a good manager, and he shouldn't return. I disagree and we're not going to change each others minds.
I would leave it now, but this is the thread where we appreciate Benitez and I'll defend Rafa, and share my appreciation and opinions.
Ok I will certainly admit Rafa was, is a top quality coach. No doubt there. He has at times outwitted the games best. Unfortunately I think his Liverpool career was a mirror image of Houllier. He made the same errors & never looked at the mistakes that the previous manager had made.
His transfers were at best ok. His League positions were ok, like Houllier. His 2 trophies were less then Houllier's 4, but regarded as better because of the Champions league win.
The fact that he won his only 2 trophies with a vast amount of Houllier's squad who were cup winners, but couldn't add to that with his own, shows that as manager he fell short.
If Rafa had won the 2007 Champions league final with a squad considered much improved then that of 2005, against a weaker Milan team then I don't think there could be many complaints about him. He never did, when really he should have. If he was so tactically clever he would have won that final. Would Paisley have lost? No.
No one knows the answer to that hypothetical question not even you.
Thats why you should ignore him.
Compairing houllier to benitez shows exactly what he knows ....******* all.
Thanks Rafa.
I agree 100%, his post continue to prove that.
You cannot ignore the truth. Rafa failed because he wasn't good enough. His only success came with Houllier's players. These are facts! Houllier won more trophies & his players were largely responsible for the Champions league & FA cup win.
In Houllier's last season he left Rafa with a gift of 4th place & a Champions league spot. Rafa was so fortunate to have Houllier!
Rafa got more points finishing 7th, than Houllier did in finishing 4th in 03/04.
Didn't know Houllier signed Alonso, Garcia, Gerrard, and Carragher.
Rafa won the Champions League in 2005 inspite of Houllier's squad.....not because of it.
Gerrard didn't even think the squad was strong enough to win the Champions League that season in an interview he gave before the quarter finals - Rafa promptly give him a ****ocking for sending out a negative message - that Rafa mentality was different to Houlier's. I don't buy this business about Houllier being able to take the credit for the 2005 win. The squad was pretty poor, (Kewell, Cisse, Smicer, Baros were not great players). Bringing in Alonso to play alongside Gerrard was a massive influence on the team.
Stop arguing and think, where would you rather be?
Top 4 every season.
Feared throughout Europe.
Winning trophies.
A real contender to win the most respected club trophy in club football, every season.
Genuine league contenders.
Or battling mid-table, closer on points to the bottom 3 than the top 4?
How do we get in touch with J.henry and werner and convince them enough is enough, Lets bring RAFA back!!
If FSG decide to part company with Kenny I would love to see Rafa back here, but there is still a possibility they might go for someone else and we shouldn't dismiss that.
I don't think Rafa will get the job back purely because of his reputation as someone who causes dissent amongst the ranks. Whilst I love Rafa for his 'crusade' against the American owners who were out to destroy our club and bleed it dry from the inside, Rafa painted a reputation as a man who needs to be in control, a man who airs his linen in public and a man who can cause great damage to an owners reputation at a club. Rafa after taking on Hicks and Gillett took on Massimo Moratti at Inter and lost that battle. Will FSG want a man that could cause dissent at the club? Will they want a man that wants full control over affairs at the club? I cannot see Rafa being able to work with a Director of Football, because Rafa will want to control spending, Rafa will want to run the scouting department. Rafa is like Fergie and Wenger, they want to be able to operate without any checks and balances on them and without anyone else crossing over into their territory. It might not be a problem with Rafa, I mean he operated under Parry and he operated under Purslow, but I don't think Rafa would appreciate having a Director of Football sitting above him.
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